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Break down cost of living - for wannabes

Old 24th Dec 2018, 09:56
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Lets break down the cost of living in HK for those wannabes threads I have been reading lately,

Housing (3BR less than 1000sq ft) - 40K onwards at least depending location
Electricity - 3K per month (aircon & dehumidifier running constantly / or heater) + air purifier!!!
Schooling - At least 10K per kid depending age and school
Helper - 5K / if your apartment too small for her, and you pay for a live-out - 7-8K
Groceries (overpriced and mostly from China) - 4-6K
Fun, Food, Movies - 2-3K
If you want a car - 10K
Misc - 2-3K
TAX!!!! - you calculate

Please correct me if I miss out anything
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Old 24th Dec 2018, 10:56
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Groceries and meat from overseas are prohibitive , the ones from China are much cheaper but come with a free gift of who knows what , toxic sprays , growth hormones , antibiotics
last butter I saw was just on $80 for 250 gms
cauliflower $60-80 weight dependent and that was quite small . Cheese about 4 times the price in Europe
everything is expensive here , don’t get me wrong I love HK and the people , but the air pollution is shocking and you need lots of money to live a reasonable lifestyle
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Old 24th Dec 2018, 11:23
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Wow. How eye-opening. You lost me at air purifier.
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Old 24th Dec 2018, 11:26
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One question I have is, in your opinion as people who live there, could a single person do okay on this? Not all of us plan on marriage and kids which bring the added costs as above.
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Old 24th Dec 2018, 12:02
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Clarification please

Are those costs in HK dollars, US dollars or UK pounds?

Are teh housing costs per week/month /year?

It's very useful to see those numbers - thanks!!
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Old 24th Dec 2018, 12:06
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Its $5000USD for housing average per month.
To have a decent expat family life, you probably need 80K HKD disposable income.
Then calculate your tax and how much you want to save.
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Old 24th Dec 2018, 12:10
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Also factor in travel back to home. Staff travel not always reliable full fare on a budget airline. XXXX$
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Old 24th Dec 2018, 12:16
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https://www.squarefoot.com.hk/proper...rive/24959414/
$110K per month for a standard western home (more than $14K USD!!!)

OR

if you are single,
https://www.squarefoot.com.hk/proper...ourt/24813087/
$14K for a 400sq feet. Just big enough to put a single couch and a single bed for your bachelor life. (400 sq ft bachelor living for about $2000USD)

Welcome to HK

Not to mention, this is in one of the cheaper parts of HK because its so far away from all the action.
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This will probably your life with the new COS18
The most realistic video ever!

Live in 300 sq. feet with 2 kids!!!
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Old 24th Dec 2018, 12:39
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OMG. Hell no.
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Old 24th Dec 2018, 21:51
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Originally Posted by Asturias56 View Post
Clarification please

Are those costs in HK dollars, US dollars or UK pounds?

Are teh housing costs per week/month /year?

It's very useful to see those numbers - thanks!!
HK Dollars, per month
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Old 25th Dec 2018, 04:07
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While I think everyone can agree that Hong Kong is expensive, the figures posted here makes me think that someone has had a disconnect between expectation and reality before moving to Hong Kong. So letís break this down:

1) 40K + for a 3 bedroom 1000í sqft flat. Does anyone seriously believe that the average forum user on the wannabe forum need a place that large? Most people who come for a flying job are either single, or married without kids. You donít need even half the space for this demographic, and most people in HK donít even make that much money a month.

2) 3K electrical bill. Do you seriously need to have your AC/heat, dehumidifier, and air purifier running 24/7? A lot of AC units are all-in-one and self regulate temperature these days, which significantly reduces cost.

3) Helper. The only time I see that you actually need this is if you are taking care of an elderly, or kids, and no one is home on most days. A luxury expense.

4) 4-6K in groceries. HK groceries are not cheap, but not that bank breaking. Especially if you are importing from China (which is cheap), I simply canít see you break your bank unless you are having imported steak every night. Most people in China donít even make that much money, and still manage to eat 3 meals a day, on-time.

5) Fun, food, or movies. Ok, the average movie is around 120HKD, which is about 20 AUD or CAD, which is pretty average. If you have a family of five who all partake with some extra curricular and you eat out, maybe it will reach 3000HKD a month. But this would surely offset other costs would it not?

6) Car. A luxury expense. You can get around HK without one. Most do.

7) 2-3K in misc. there are always misc expenses, but 2-3K?

8) Tax. Where Iím from, the government can take over a third of what you make. In HK, ~15%

Iím not trying to be confrontational here, but if you are quoting an upward expense of 80000HKD a month (which is a very conservative summation of all your quoted expenses), you either came from living in a palace, or some truly exceptional circumstances.

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But Andy, do you not agree - as foreigners, we don't move half way across the world to HK such a polluted & densely populated city to LIVE LIKE AN AVERAGE WAGE LOCAL?
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Old 25th Dec 2018, 05:33
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I thought the figures were quite close to reality. Hopefully the wannabes will also spot the ďnon-normalsĒ
3 bed flat <1000sqí
Air purifier reqíd
Car is a barely affordable luxury item
Expensive schooling
Being VERY careful about the food you buy
These are not normal for most pilots around the world!
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Old 25th Dec 2018, 05:37
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Originally Posted by carolknows View Post
But Andy, do you not agree - as foreigners, we don't move half way across the world to HK such a polluted & densely populated city to LIVE LIKE AN AVERAGE WAGE LOCAL?
...EXACTLY...! (unless you are a complete loser in your home country).
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Originally Posted by carolknows View Post
But Andy, do you not agree - as foreigners, we don't move half way across the world to HK such a polluted & densely populated city to LIVE LIKE AN AVERAGE WAGE LOCAL?

Foreigners become expats for a lot of different reasons, but expecting to be above everyone else and living lavishly while equating that to the cost of living for a wannabe isn't a fair assessment (nor is it a good reason to expat in the first place). For someone who is single or married without kids, there is no need for a 1000 square foot apartment with three bedrooms, period. Nor is there a need to have a helper and to have your appliances on 24/7. Yeah, I get that HK is densely populated and polluted, and that the city is less appealing unless you have something to make up for it, but try to be real. If you are working for an employer as an employee, don't expect a straight road across the golden rainbow unless your company is still operating in a monopoly. Those days are long gone, and carrying unrealistic expectations WILL cause you disappointments. No one is asking you to live like an average local, but if you are spending your money on non-necessities, and you are not sharing your house with people you don't know, chances are you are living above the local HK resident as it is.
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Old 25th Dec 2018, 08:19
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I can only offer my resignation to the fact that this entire thread is a veiled protest against CX (which I probably should have known before replying), and less about the cost of living in HK. This said, I certainly hope that none of you are still spending in upwards of 100K a month in expenses while still renting property in the hopes that you can live a life like back home without some form of supplementary income (like from a spouse). Even if you are, well best of luck to you. It's Christmas, so, Merry Christmas!
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Old 25th Dec 2018, 08:21
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Originally Posted by Dan Buster View Post


STATEMENT OF THE DECADE.

DB I agree
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Old 25th Dec 2018, 08:56
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You lost me at air purifier.
It's about those 1.5km visibility smog days when the wind blows the acrid sulphur laced factory pollutants from next door Shenzhen.
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Old 25th Dec 2018, 12:37
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Wow Andy, you sound like the perfect candidate who drafts the new cos18. Totally justifies it and I applaud you.
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