Bases Open Jan. 1, 2019 0000UTC!!!

[plainpilot11]

In a stark departure from it's past communication, CX DFO executive made a sweeping change in the company staffing policy with cold, calculated, definitive wording firming up any opaque vision in this realm. We are prepared, immediately, regardless of how the vote the Union is about to pass, open bases world-wide, staffing anyone in any country they wish to be based in, with immediate effect on January 1, 2019 at 0000UTC. The letter was devoid of any loop-holes in language such as "planning", "communicate as soon as possible", "this is planned on," "with the assumption of", "further details to follow", "in the meantime", "we anticipate", "an initial estimate", "our expectation is...", "details to be clearly defined in the future...".

Pilots wishing to be based in a country of their choice need not report to work in Hong Kong that day, however should report to the airport in the country of their choosing the first duty day they are scheduled. Pilot's at Cathay were overjoyed with this news, promising to vote in immediately the TA the Union will be recommending shortly. With large pay rises, bases open, things are definitely looking up!

[GTC58]

I bet, that initially, only a few slots will be made available to see how senior the bases will go. As long as ARAPA officers will bid for those vacancies, more base slots will be made available. As soon as it hits HKPA officers seniority no more slots will be available. At that time commuting rosters on COS18 will be made available.

Dan,

Basings can not be on POS18. As the base areas have labour laws and negotiated CBA's all those new base vacancies will enjoy the applicable CBA of the respective base area.

[Thunderbird4]

The DFO has also stated that those already on a base may put their base slot up for auction.

[Arfur Dent]

This has been the most obvious move for years. Living in Hong Kong is not possible for anyone but the very rich and is costing Cathay a fortune.. If you have property in HKG you can do it - if not, you can't.
Make Hong Kong the hub where pilots stay in a Hotel and then go back to base. Increase population on bases where pilots do not need expat benefits like Housing allowance. Command courses either on base or not, but you return immediately to your base as a Junior Captain. Acknowledge Base Labour Laws - THAT'S WHERE ALL THIS "OBVIOUS" STOPS.
All pilots come through HKG for regulatory items and other ground training. Stay in Hotel (on allowances) then go back to Base.
Labour Laws……...

[Apollo19]

Stay The Curse

Clearly a ploy to make you bastard HKAOA pilots sign the DFOs plan. Stay the course lads!!!! Don’t vote for that horrible offer. You have them just where you want them!!! You HKPA guys cannot thrive on what they are paying you.

[bm330]

The OP's sarcasm seems to have bypassed a few.

BTWn, no HKPA pilot will ever see a base slot.

[Farman Biplane]

Nice one pp11, however I think some of the dullard comments above are obviously from people that have not got access to the actual DFO notice and very obviously are not fitted with a sarcasm detector!
Yet another rehashed mouldy old carrot dangled far in front of desperate pilots. It’s a sham, don’t fall for it!

[Sqwak7700]

The OP's sarcasm seems to have bypassed a few.

Pretty much sums up a large chunk of our pilots unfortunately.

[Rated De]

Pretty hard to have operating revenue if the pilots don't operate the aircraft...

[cxorcist]

Originally Posted by Sqwak7700

Pretty much sums up a large chunk of our pilots unfortunately.

That’s because many of them aren’t even pilots. They are children or very young adults whose other options are a cubicle somewhere. The standards have plummeted to accommodate them.

[Slasher1]

Thirty commands in New York on the first
Ring in New Year with great cheer see a show
I'm so excited I could simply burst
What things I can do with all that new dough !

[LLLQNH]

Originally Posted by bm330

The OP's sarcasm seems to have bypassed a few.

BTWn, no HKPA pilot will ever see a base slot.

really? You might want to tell the ones on bases already that they aren’t really on bases then

[Network]

After six months of heavy analysis.......this is the best he can do?

Can’t even make a credible and clear commitment on his own without invoking his betters.

Sad!

[Flex88]

Bases

Originally Posted by Network

After six months of heavy analysis.......this is the best he can do?

Can’t even make a credible and clear commitment on his own without invoking his betters.

Sad!

And just what ground breaking expectations did you have of the Jellyfish ? He, as others have, will do zero regarding bases other than "dangle" them in front of naive, ill informed flight crew who will, in anticipation, vote for their own demise.. Been there, done that..

#CXit

[TurningFinalRWY36]

If anyone votes for the TA expecting a base they really need their head examined .We received 13th month to sway us to voting yes. Now they are using bases to get the majority across the line .Guaranteed bases will not be a thing once the vote goes through. Just go back and read base updates for the last 6 years .nothing has changed. Same old rheroric just said by a different manager .think carefully. You have been warned

[mothy1583]

I thought it was a beautifully crafted letter. Not a single statement that bound the company to anything, just more promises of possibly opening bases with a lot of caveats, ifs, ands, buts. Might even be the next thing they sign off on after 25 year housing.
I really liked the comment “variation from target sickness rates”. Like the cabin crew needing 5 years without sick leave as part of the consideration for extension beyond 55, will you be ineligible for a base of you’ve had too much sick leave?
I’ll believe the offer when I see the NTC and get to read the fine print. Until then it’s just another mirage of a carrot.

[Slasher1]

Perhaps they are betting on the based unions being willing to sell out their own contracts for some soft promise of new membership.

And if they rightly refuse to do so, using this as an excuse to yank the football again.

[cxorcist]

With or without a YES vote from the HKAOA, the pilot exodus continues. Bases are the only thing that will keep many from leaving, regardless of the HK vote outcome. If new bases are not made reality in early 2019, the exodus accelerates. It really is that simple. Those who can leave but haven’t are only staying to see what happens. If it’s no news or bad news, most of those pilots leave by the end of 2019. I know I have my plan, and most of my colleagues are the same.

[TurningFinalRWY36]

Originally Posted by cxorcist

With or without a YES vote from the HKAOA, the pilot exodus continues. Bases are the only thing that will keep many from leaving, regardless of the HK vote outcome. If new bases are not made reality in early 2019, the exodus accelerates. It really is that simple. Those who can leave but haven’t are only staying to see what happens. If it’s no news or bad news, most of those pilots leave by the end of 2019. I know I have my plan, and most of my colleagues are the same.

does that mean you and your colleagues will vote in a sub standard deal just in the hopes of getting a base. If so you are playing right in to the companies hands

[OK4Wire]

Originally Posted by Slasher1

Perhaps they are betting on the based unions being willing to sell out their own contracts for some soft promise of new membership.

And if they rightly refuse to do so, using this as an excuse to yank the football again.

Why on earth would the based unions NEED more membership? If there are any groups in CX who are moderately happy with their contracts, its the based pilots. They're not going to voluntarily reduce or destroy their own contracts.