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OK The Jellyfsish has spoken...

Old 24th Nov 2018, 11:39
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Originally Posted by Trafalgar View Post
You can add my name to the resignation list (and let me assure you, that list is about to become much longer). I have "recently" left the building (in Elvis speak). It has been an interesting 3 decades working for two airlines, the one I joined and the one CX devolved into.

The CX I joined in the 80's, which was a caring, innovative, prosperous and optimistic company to work for. The CX that I ended my career with, which has morphed into the most dysfunctional, unhappy, intimidatory and embarrassing airline in the industry. We went from having flight ops managers who were characters who at least had integrity and belief in their profession, to self serving, cynical, individuals who have obviously been promoted at least one step above their competency levels. The airline I joined (and loved and admired) has been laid to waste, mainly from within and by our own hand. We went from having a corporate "Mission Statement" that promoted "satisfying careers" for all, to one that seems to only focus on satisfying careers for the the Swires. We went from an airline that valued and respected experience, to one that now openly disdains it, devalues it and actively squanders it.

I wish all the very best in whatever your upcoming choices may be, but I decided that at age 60 this airline wasn't worth another second of my time. I can only hope that most realise that this company is not worth you wasting the most precious and irreplaceable item of value you possess...time. CX can only now be a place of regret, misery and wasted careers. In COS 18, the unworthy individuals that manage this airline have laid down a marker saying "only fools need apply". Don't be one of those who will be used as meat in the grinder. There are better employers and better careers, nearly everywhere.

Farewell, and I will drop by once in a while on the Prune and comment if I feel the need. Merry Christmas and best wishes to all. Traf.
Godspeed and tailwinds to you, sir.

I enjoyed reading your sage advice and wish you well.
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Old 24th Nov 2018, 12:28
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CXit

Traf and PanZA

Hold the door open for me if you would, I have only a few more tasks remaining to complete and I am 3 weeks behind you. As with Trafs comments, I am leaving saddened at what this once great going concern was and the shadow of a ghost it now is; Air Cathay X.
The airline that once was.. Truly heartbreaking.

I sincerely hope all those who remain do well. For myself, there is more to life than bleating sycophants, cold hard spreadsheets created by what appears to an endless stream of bonus seeking Swire "leaders" hell bent on trashing the company. When you see an ex British Army artillery officer placed in a directorship position ( overseeing 15k + employees) when they have ZERO background, experience or education in the HR field - it's time to run, not walk, for the doors.

The future is yours, make good decisions.

Flex

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Old 24th Nov 2018, 16:10
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Just watched the movie, Sully, yesterday. What happens to CX when all the Sullys are gone? It is happening far more rapidly than anyone could have imagined. All that will be left soon is the tiger moms’ offspring, bush pilots without bush experience, and South African refugees with no country to call home. CX is doomed. It is fairly obvious from where I sit.
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Old 24th Nov 2018, 20:46
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Add me to the list, along with Traf, for pretty much the same reasons.
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Old 24th Nov 2018, 23:19
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When they're gone, Cathay will be another bit player Asian airline. After the impending 'incident' and the FAA or EASA combs thru training records and real experience levels are revealed, CX will be unceremoniously booted from N.A. and Europe in a heartbeat.
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Old 25th Nov 2018, 00:45
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Originally Posted by bm330 View Post
When they're gone, Cathay will be another bit player Asian airline. After the impending 'incident' and the FAA or EASA combs thru training records and real experience levels are revealed, CX will be unceremoniously booted from N.A. and Europe in a heartbeat.
I’m offended by the quality of most of CX’s NJers. I’m similarly distraught by those upgrading to FO, especially new RQs, terrifying!!!
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Old 25th Nov 2018, 02:31
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Originally Posted by cxorcist View Post


I’m offended by the quality of most of CX’s NJers. I’m similarly distraught by those upgrading to FO, especially new RQs, terrifying!!!
Some of us remember the days whereby you had to 'know your stuff'.
Nowadays you only require a pulse to become RQ.
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Old 25th Nov 2018, 03:00
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Originally Posted by Hellenic aviator View Post
Some of us remember the days whereby you had to 'know your stuff'.
Nowadays you only require a pulse to become RQ.
Literally, seat warmers and sandwich eaters! The traveling public should be terrified.
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Old 25th Nov 2018, 03:16
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The travelling public also has no issue flying Jetstar, Ryanair, EasyJet plus every other low cost airline as long as it saves them $$$$
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Old 25th Nov 2018, 03:29
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The only way I would put myself or my family on a CX plane now would be if I personally knew the crew.

Very sad indeed.
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Old 25th Nov 2018, 03:43
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It’s funny how most parents will spend big bucks on top of the line strollers or to outfit their toddlers with a proper safety helmet and gear...but then to save a few buck on an airline ticket they’ll happily put their toddler in a made made aluminum tube, crewed by “who cares?”, and hurl him/her through the stratospher at 600 knots!
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Old 25th Nov 2018, 03:45
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Originally Posted by Firefly47 View Post
The travelling public also has no issue flying Jetstar, Ryanair, EasyJet plus every other low cost airline as long as it saves them $$$$
Right, but the proficiency from those pilots is generally quite high due to lots of sectors flown, even if the experience is relatively low, very similar to US regional airlines. Not so at CX, widebody aircraft and relatively few sectors is deadly for inexperienced crews. Fact!
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Old 25th Nov 2018, 05:12
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Back on topic, wouldn’t it be useful if either side would actually present the so called “negotiated agreements” on ARAPA and RP’s?
It would also be legitimate for the company to introduce these agreements into the current policies regardless of any possible vote.
CX managers must know that whatever the outcome of this negotiated charade, the goodwill of CX pilots is gone forever? Why hangout for a so called “industrial peace clause”?
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Old 25th Nov 2018, 10:19
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There must at least be a chance that the company will impose this deal in the case of a no vote. Why not send it back and let them impose and maintain whatever leverage the pilots have.
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Old 25th Nov 2018, 11:40
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The so called leverage The piss weak pilots have will be bypassed if the no vote happens. They have already made a work around.... It's just a matter of inserting the pineapple... And before any of you naively say it will never happen...believe me the wheels are in motion as I type and it will have more people whinging than all the helpers on a Sunday in Central. Not that it's a reason to vote Yes.... But more to be realistic of what will happen when you vote no.
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Old 25th Nov 2018, 13:08
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An even better reason to vote NO. The only thing that matters in life is the truth. In this case, what is needed is to reveal the "truth" about our employer. It is better to know now what the rest of our careers will hold, based on the true character and nature of our employer. If a NO vote triggers them to further tighten the screws, increase the beatings and threaten us unless we show fealty to our rulers, then they will have done all of us a life-long favour. It will allow those of us still in doubt about leaving CX (or even joining) to make the decisions required to break free and dedicate our careers to an employer who will provide a better chance of stability and career happiness. Most of us have already figured this out, and have already left, or are making well advanced plans to do so imminently. For those still hoping that it's all just a bad dream, at least a NO vote will clear up any such delusion. Better to know now than waste any more precious years, only to eventually have to move anyway. Bring it on.
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Old 28th Nov 2018, 06:50
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Originally Posted by Trafalgar View Post
You can add my name to the resignation list (and let me assure you, that list is about to become much longer). I have "recently" left the building (in Elvis speak). It has been an interesting 3 decades working for two airlines, the one I joined and the one CX devolved into.

The CX I joined in the 80's, which was a caring, innovative, prosperous and optimistic company to work for. The CX that I ended my career with, which has morphed into the most dysfunctional, unhappy, intimidatory and embarrassing airline in the industry. We went from having flight ops managers who were characters who at least had integrity and belief in their profession, to self serving, cynical, individuals who have obviously been promoted at least one step above their competency levels. The airline I joined (and loved and admired) has been laid to waste, mainly from within and by our own hand. We went from having a corporate "Mission Statement" that promoted "satisfying careers" for all, to one that seems to only focus on satisfying careers for the the Swires. We went from an airline that valued and respected experience, to one that now openly disdains it, devalues it and actively squanders it.

I wish all the very best in whatever your upcoming choices may be, but I decided that at age 60 this airline wasn't worth another second of my time. I can only hope that most realise that this company is not worth you wasting the most precious and irreplaceable item of value you possess...time. CX can only now be a place of regret, misery and wasted careers. In COS 18, the unworthy individuals that manage this airline have laid down a marker saying "only fools need apply". Don't be one of those who will be used as meat in the grinder. There are better employers and better careers, nearly everywhere.

Farewell, and I will drop by once in a while on the Prune and comment if I feel the need. Merry Christmas and best wishes to all. Traf.
Traf your sanity and wise words have inspired many of us. God Speed and please please drop by on this site and give us your wisdom.
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Old 28th Nov 2018, 07:29
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Originally Posted by Hellenic aviator View Post
Some of us remember the days whereby you had to 'know your stuff'.
Nowadays you only require a pulse to become RQ.
The few trainers that remain ( for their own reasons ) can make an impact by not passing these newbee's on their RQ checks. If there is an incident and it is down to a newly promoted RQ pilot then the subsequent enquiry will look at who signed him/her off as compenent. Checkers beware.
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