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So if itís so bad....why arenít you all quitting?

Old 3rd Dec 2018, 01:30
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Originally Posted by morningcoffee View Post

So both employers are garbage, is that what youíre saying?
I am simply saying that while you seem to blow smoke up cxís ass 24/7 and bitch about every other airline, such as training pay ect you are oblivious to the fact that CX essentially does the same thing to perfectly qualified pilots who have to do a stint in Adelaide. The one thing I do agree with you on is that this job is not what it used to be. However the difference is you still put up with the same bullsh*t everywhere else as well but you at least get to live in your home country and be able to have a good quality of life, not to mention spending 10 USD on a block of butter!
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Old 3rd Dec 2018, 01:31
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Originally Posted by Gnadenburg View Post
Sorry sydneyman. Syntax and punctuation makes that hard to follow. Are you talking of NZ or HKG being the dump? I see issues in both.
Pretty sure NZ is not a dump. Process of elimination mate! Mainland China is most assuredly a dump. HK is only slightly better. India is off the charts.
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Old 3rd Dec 2018, 03:06
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Originally Posted by morningcoffee View Post

Can you post his brutal 70+ sectors a month domestic roster. Hats off to him working like a dog, paid peanuts just to get back to NZ.

I’ll ask and see what he says, but considering he chooses to remain an S/O on the T7, as far as I know he doesn’t exceed 8 sectors a month or so. Of course that is his choice... what a novel concept!

His choice for now is to remain a longhaul SO for the lifestyle and in order to reduce his daily commute, but with his seniority (4 years-ish) he is now looking at the possibility of a 320 command (2-4 sectors a day typically). His choice, again, depending on what his seniority can hold. And yes, they all (even the command position) mean a paycut compared to CX, but the amount of control he has over his roster/lifestyle and his career are well worth it to him when coupled with his kids growing up in their home country.

Again, amazing concept; you cede some control to aircrew and it turns out their increased job/life satisfaction means you don’t have to pay them so much... it’ll never catch on!
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Old 3rd Dec 2018, 05:05
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You can choose not to do your upgrade in CX too. You can choose whether or not to do a trip too.
you can choose to offload a trip in 3 different ways.
Forrest through the trees my friends.... Forrest through the trees!
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Old 3rd Dec 2018, 05:38
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Originally Posted by cxorcist View Post


Pretty sure NZ is not a dump. Process of elimination mate! Mainland China is most assuredly a dump. HK is only slightly better. India is off the charts.

I know. It's sort of a white man's Phuket though. Locals get paid peanuts and high-rollers enjoy the spoils.
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Old 3rd Dec 2018, 12:20
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You can choose not to do your upgrade in CX too. You can choose whether or not to do a trip too.
you can choose to offload a trip in 3 different ways.
Actually you can't choose not to upgrade from SO to FO at CX.

How do you choose not to do a trip?

It is incredibly hard to offload a trip. With these CMP patterns almost impossible. You can swap something, that is not getting rid of a trip however. So what are the three ways you can offload a trip at CX? I know of only one guaranteed way, anything else is usually a frustrating waste of time.
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Old 3rd Dec 2018, 15:11
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Originally Posted by CxEx2 View Post


I am simply saying that while you seem to blow smoke up cxís ass 24/7 and bitch about every other airline, such as training pay ect you are oblivious to the fact that CX essentially does the same thing to perfectly qualified pilots who have to do a stint in Adelaide. The one thing I do agree with you on is that this job is not what it used to be. However the difference is you still put up with the same bullsh*t everywhere else as well but you at least get to live in your home country and be able to have a good quality of life, not to mention spending 10 USD on a block of butter!
My point exactly. Unless you've been living under a rock, when you wander back to an F/O job at jetstar on a MEL base, head into a bank and ask what they'll give you mortgage wise. Then take that money and see what you can buy. Under a million buys you sweet fu*k all, unless you've got your time machine working and its 1983. Plenty wrong with CX but instead of the usual BS it would be nice to actually get an option that wasn't garbage. Why you'd head back home to NZ and take a shorthall job so you're never home and working like a blue ass fly defeats the purpose of heading home. You may as well do a few more years up here and then jack it in. If a CX commuter is home in NZ more than a 320 pilot then there's something wrong.
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Old 3rd Dec 2018, 15:20
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...Ēmay as well do a few more years up here...Ē. Yea, ok MC. I guess this is what constitutes CX career planning in 2018. Iím sold, where do i sign up? 🙄
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Old 3rd Dec 2018, 15:22
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As a matter of fact, i am convinced that MC is actually a group of desperate Swire managers who get together each day and group think the latest clueless response to a now uncontrollable resignation situation. At least itís entertaining
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Old 4th Dec 2018, 00:08
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Originally Posted by morningcoffee View Post
a shorthall job
Not Swire, they can usually spell. Definitely one of our lot!
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Old 4th Dec 2018, 01:26
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Also comical and ironic that MC chooses to illustrate his comments by alluding to "getting a mortgage from a bank" in Aus or NZ. At least back home in Oz or NZ I could have some hope of actually affording a home. Here in HK, a pilot can barely afford groceries, school fees and the odd night out with the long suffering wife. There is NO hope of affording a home in HK on the current package. The fact that MC chose that example just illustrates how out of touch the management are. Most of them are quite happily "getting by" on ARAPA (as am I I will admit, or the Swires on their cushy packages), not even appreciating the irony of one of their managers using the cost of housing as a way to somehow convince people to stay in HK. Deluded, or just abjectly stupid. Which (or both) accurately describe MC?
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Old 4th Dec 2018, 01:36
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Btw MC, as far as lifestyle concerns, ANZ just implemented a new rostering package for their short haul fleet, which addresses the major concerns their pilots had. The company now compresses the flying into more efficient blocks, and thereby generates larger blocks of days off, allowing pilots much more time off and less cost involved to travel to and from the airport(s) for work. Imagine that, a management that actually acknowledges and addresses the lifestyle concerns of their staff. Might also explain why many Kiwis are planning on leaving soon (ask me how I know).

Lifestyle: synonym for "cannot" in Cathay Pacific. Available at another airline near you.
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Old 4th Dec 2018, 02:13
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Good... I hope all the kiwi's go.... They are a strange lot.... The lot of them.... It would Be good riddance!
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Old 4th Dec 2018, 03:12
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They are introducing compact rostering to address that very issue. Let me spell it out for you: ANZ management at least are making efforts to address the concerns of their crew. CX management however activley agitate against any and all efforts to help our pilots have any semblance of stability and family life. They couldnít care less. That is why a move to NZ makes sense....and our management know it.
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Old 4th Dec 2018, 04:28
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Originally Posted by enoughisenough_ View Post
You can only bid for flights or for specific days off, then you are at the mercy of the roster system (which ultimately has the sole goal to produce a least cost/maximum producitvity roster) Requests are frequently denied due to inabilty to construct a feasible roster (read: lack of manpower). Rosters are full of single days off. Quite rare to get more than 2-3 days off in a row. There's also no proffering system and swapping can be difficult.
Sounds like you are talking about CX rostering.
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Old 4th Dec 2018, 10:17
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Originally Posted by RAT Management View Post
Good... I hope all the kiwi's go.... They are a strange lot.... The lot of them.... It would Be good riddance!
Are you from Toronto?
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Old 4th Dec 2018, 12:45
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As a complete outsider, I just want to say thank you to everyone here for the entertainment provided.
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Old 4th Dec 2018, 13:36
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Originally Posted by Air Profit View Post
Also comical and ironic that MC chooses to illustrate his comments by alluding to "getting a mortgage from a bank" in Aus or NZ. At least back home in Oz or NZ I could have some hope of actually affording a home. Here in HK, a pilot can barely afford groceries, school fees and the odd night out with the long suffering wife. There is NO hope of affording a home in HK on the current package. The fact that MC chose that example just illustrates how out of touch the management are. Most of them are quite happily "getting by" on ARAPA (as am I I will admit, or the Swires on their cushy packages), not even appreciating the irony of one of their managers using the cost of housing as a way to somehow convince people to stay in HK. Deluded, or just abjectly stupid. Which (or both) accurately describe MC?
Going off the starting pay at jetstar on the 320 after a newbie had survived GA, they could borrow $460k on a 30 year. That would get them a 1 br apt in Melbourne.
Almost.

Every man and his dog is getting off the AirNZ shortHAUL fleet, meanwhile CX pilots quit to sign up on the 320 in droves.

Still waiting to hear a good paying, reasonable days off flying job.
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Old 4th Dec 2018, 14:07
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MC. You ARE the authority on NZ schedules and lifestyle. Got it. Keep that CX cubicle management panic churning. 👍
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Old 4th Dec 2018, 14:08
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At least you are not pretending to be a CX pilot anymore. 🙏
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