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Old 25th Oct 2018, 07:03
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I just operated a KA flight number. That should lock in my 13th month. 👍
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Old 25th Oct 2018, 07:35
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Originally Posted by mngmt mole
I just operated a KA flight number. That should lock in my 13th month. 👍
If you were wearing the pink Tie, I am sure it does !
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Old 25th Oct 2018, 08:22
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And no SHP reimbursement thanks to an AOA cock-up. Am really wondering why I bother paying my dues now??
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Old 25th Oct 2018, 08:35
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@unitedabx

Thanks, it's something that's new to me and I just found it a bit ironic
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Old 25th Oct 2018, 09:18
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Originally Posted by bacou
If you were wearing the pink Tie, I am sure it does !
The KA Captains are certainly in the pink, I'll be picking up my 150k ++ on the 25th Jan.

Bacou, you are welcome to proudly wear your green brushstroke tie if that still makes you feel so special.
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Old 25th Oct 2018, 09:33
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13th month is calculated as such.

1 month = 4 weeks
12 months = 48 weeks
52 weeks in a year.

do the maths
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Old 25th Oct 2018, 23:37
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Its ok the 13th month is safe. No Penalty (probably)!
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Old 25th Oct 2018, 23:41
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LOL i heard KA captains did extremely well last year with 13 month overtime etc....heard paychecks > 300k....but CX Captain.....no money for you again this year.....and no JCR....well done. Time to start packing or striking
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Old 27th Oct 2018, 08:04
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No extra 13th month PF payment

It's not just the bonus it's the extra PF contribution we lose. No one seems concerned about that but it is still our money. Even if they pay a full ex gratis payment, no PF contrib. related to that.
That's been the case for
last few times.
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Old 27th Oct 2018, 13:27
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It's simple, if they pretend to pay me, i'll pretend to work. If the full 13th month isn't forthcoming, then my month off unfit will be. The scales will be balanced one way or the other...
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Old 28th Oct 2018, 03:59
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Originally Posted by Air Profit
It's simple, if they pretend to pay me, i'll pretend to work. If the full 13th month isn't forthcoming, then my month off unfit will be. The scales will be balanced one way or the other...
typical attitude. You still won’t get your bonus, wont earn any flt pay the month you are sick, and like CX give a sh1t if you take your sick leave or not.

You should stop typing and extoll the virtues of collaboration with your peers. Stop trying to create a mutiny from your keyboard. No one will follow. Well may be Trafalgar. But then he’s still in CX after 20 years right ? ��

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Old 28th Oct 2018, 04:11
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Krone, age 28 apparently. We'll bow to your superior intellect. In the meantime, i'll be doing exactly as AP, which is enjoy another month of my life away from toxic CX....and CX will give a .
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Old 28th Oct 2018, 09:37
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Regards KA, there’s alot of chat every year about letting go of the KA COS based “ chinese new year bonus” ( fwiw 13th month) for an 8% pay adjustment .KA crew would then revert to the discretion 13th month CX may ( or may not) receive.
"May not" will be the norm, just as it is for CX now. KA will never give up the 13th month. Lessons have been learned from the AOA's mistakes.
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Old 28th Oct 2018, 15:57
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You guys know that the CX and KA Master seniority lists will be merged next year. Right? DS will be meeting with the company later this year to discuss details.

Wonder if the unions will merge to one as well.
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Old 29th Oct 2018, 00:05
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Originally Posted by Krone


typical attitude. You still won’t get your bonus, wont earn any flt pay the month you are sick, and like CX give a sh1t if you take your sick leave or not.

You should stop typing and extoll the virtues of collaboration with your peers. Stop trying to create a mutiny from your keyboard. No one will follow. Well may be Trafalgar. But then he’s still in CX after 20 years right ? ��



What's it to you Krone?

As soon as there's a whiff of industrial peace at CX, the blow-torch is coming your way. And keyboard warriors just like you from the CX side will flame divisiveness. So how about seeing the chessboard a few moves on and stop being a clown.

And do you really think an airline doesn't care about a high levels of absenteeism? Especially when tactical in nature which hurts the most in efficiency? Or an aggrieved career captain cares about losing a month of duty pay when they are probably finding some mental health respite from a toxic work environment?
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Old 29th Oct 2018, 01:11
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Originally Posted by GTC58
You guys know that the CX and KA Master seniority lists will be merged next year. Right? DS will be meeting with the company later this year to discuss details.

Wonder if the unions will merge to one as well.
Is the KA list in order of DOJ? Because the CX one isn't, it's a mess, in another genius stroke of divide and conquer by CX they had to get there dirty little fingers into it rather than standard practice of DOJ so any merger will no doubt lead to infighting and CX winning by the AOA having to negotiate with CX as a result.
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Old 29th Oct 2018, 04:59
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Just create a single bloody list based on DOJ and tag each crew as CX or KA, you want transparency then DOJ it is, it's the backbone of a seniority system, then let the union's not the company come to a solution that's agreeable for the future, negotiating with the company only ends up in a reduction of terms. Perhaps then stuff like vacancy bidding can come to fruition without the seniority list screwing it up and again leading to negotiation with the company. Wrestling with a pig comes to mind.
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Old 29th Oct 2018, 05:09
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Originally Posted by CCA
Just create a single bloody list based on DOJ and tag each crew as CX or KA, you want transparency then DOJ it is, it's the backbone of a seniority system, then let the union's not the company come to a solution that's agreeable for the future, negotiating with the company only ends up in a reduction of terms. Perhaps then stuff like vacancy bidding can come to fruition without the seniority list screwing it up and again leading to negotiation with the company. Wrestling with a pig comes to mind.
DOJ would seem simple but the DFO wants to blend the two lists one for one. That is to say, number one in CX followed by number one in KA and so on. First used when BEA bought out Eastern in the UK in the 1960's this has been the default seniority merging method used repeatedly. In the USA this would be laughed at but we are not in the UK. How the canadian and US based pilots would fit in is the problem. The immediate advantage to any KA driver is that with only 1000 pilots and CX 3500 a KA pilot will always find him/herself in the top 2000 of a 4500 strong list. Win Win for KA.
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Old 29th Oct 2018, 07:52
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KA seniority is not DOJ , but date of licence issue.
Redundancy list is predicated on DOJ.
Just so we are all on the same page .
One day.
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Old 29th Oct 2018, 08:23
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Originally Posted by kahaha
KA seniority is not DOJ , but date of licence issue.
Redundancy list is predicated on DOJ.
Just so we are all on the same page .
One day.
Sorry KA but your travel seniority is DOJ and that is how CX will manage the conversion of seniority lists. This also applies to cabin crew remember so licence dates are irrelevant.
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