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People Thinking Of Going CX

Old 20th Oct 2018, 22:26
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Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Hong Kong
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Starting pay is around $50K at HKE, about the same as the S/O package at CX so the new S/O job at HKE is going to pay way less. And you’re all bitching that you can’t survive in HKG on what CX pay but HKE (and HKA for that matter) enable you to live a great life in HKG, on less money.
The hypocrisy is a joke, have you seen the schooling allowance for HKE?
Anything to get in a new shiny jet. NTR at HKE are bonded I assume.
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Old 20th Oct 2018, 23:32
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Originally Posted by morningcoffee View Post

When I bump into a CX S/O who joined as a cadet with 500 hrs jet I’ll let you know.
This statement tells you everything you need to know about CX’s current hiring standards. Absolutely, positively scraping the bottom of the barrel, and you can tell most days out on the line. Most of the decent ones get hired elsewhere, leaving the worst of the worst for us to fly beside. Guaranteed hull loss by the end of the next decade...
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Old 20th Oct 2018, 23:47
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Old 21st Oct 2018, 01:07
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Join Date: May 2018
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Originally Posted by schweizer2 View Post
The important question, how are you enjoying life at HKE?

Honest question as I am interested to have an insight at what life with them could be like.
I am honestly much happier. From day 1, you are treated with respect and decency and they admit the fact they need pilots and they need to treat them well yet they won’t settle for anyone and still want an acceptable standard of pilot.

Contract terms are very transparent and there is no lying or deceiving. Although contracts are largely linked to productivity, there are no threats about if you fly less then your pay will be decreased, all pays quoted are for min 50 hrs and then hourly rates are much higher.

FO’s (0 - 1500 hrs on type) on a typical 80-100hr month can earn anything from 90k upwards excluding benefits such as MPF and education.

Once you hit the 1500hr mark the pay makes a substantial jump 20k upwards.

Talking about the SO program, I wouldn’t compare this to a CX SO at this program has a different target group. It is meant for those such a CX abinitio cadets who possibly still live at home with family or those who are young and single and have very minimal flying experience and need that head start without just sitting at the back of the cockpit for 5 years bored out of their mind.


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Old 21st Oct 2018, 17:54
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Wow $110k a month base pay for an F/O is great money, skippers must be on $150k a month base pay at least. Sounds like HKE is the place to be, that’s at least 30% better than what CX pay. In fact a new joiner F/O at HKE is doing better than a skipper at CX.
Always good when someone presents the facts. And everyone is happy and they love the place, and they treat everyone so well.
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Old 21st Oct 2018, 23:42
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Join Date: Sep 2014
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Pigs can fly, the world is flat and Islam is a religion of peace. I know quite a few HKE drivers who are not happy.
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Old 22nd Oct 2018, 00:14
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Join Date: May 2018
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No company is perfect but I would rather be at HKE than CX any day. CX sucks the life out of you
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Old 22nd Oct 2018, 03:30
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Originally Posted by morningcoffee View Post
Wow $110k a month base pay for an F/O is great money, skippers must be on $150k a month base pay at least. Sounds like HKE is the place to be, that’s at least 30% better than what CX pay. In fact a new joiner F/O at HKE is doing better than a skipper at CX.
Always good when someone presents the facts. And everyone is happy and they love the place, and they treat everyone so well.
The professional expectations and colonial check and training system of the CX/ KA Group has not been correctly measured by management in my opinion. If you are an average pilot on the market a more professionally relaxed outfit desirable. And these days, due poor training and endorsement programs coupled with low experience, "averageness" may not be an individuals fault, it's an industry issue.

I've been keenly interested in this topic for a number of reasons. CX/ KA can't blatantly drop standards to compete for the pilot market and thwart the colonial perceptions on check and training. Though they will/ have changed the training structurally to address failure rates. They will put into place other soft programs to address a culture of fear but I do wonder if they are clever enough to see the forest for the trees. In the last year I have seen cases of "bullying" of the new, softer demographic of new joiners for the Group and there seems to be no decisive strategy in dealing with a problem that can unravel recruitment strategies.

There is a way and direction to actually improve standards and training- though I doubt there will be buy in by a pilot group being hastily replaced.

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Old 22nd Oct 2018, 09:30
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A friend of mine flying in Europe commented to me recently, and I quote "the average standard of english emanating from CX cockpits the past few years is interesting..." . Says it all...
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Old 22nd Oct 2018, 11:02
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Cathay Pacific rebuffs trainee pilots’ appeal over pay hit
https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/...-against-lower
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Old 22nd Oct 2018, 11:30
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Old 22nd Oct 2018, 11:31
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Disregard. Someone beat me to it.
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Old 22nd Oct 2018, 12:00
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There’s a complete surprise. Cathay management acting in a dishonourable manner once again. Then trying to justify their actions with weak wishy washy statements. Do they believe their own BS. My contempt of Cathay management is complete.
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Old 22nd Oct 2018, 14:18
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Originally Posted by Frogman1484 View Post
Cathay Pacific rebuffs trainee pilots’ appeal over pay hit
https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/...-against-lower
I'm sorry are they suggesting that Cathay Pacific Airlines' "management" lied to and misled a group of cadets in Adelaide? I quite simply refuse to believe this. The next thing is they will be accused of offering cadet Instructors a "locked in" slot on the seniority list if they agree to stay on in Adelaide and assist with training their future colleagues. Will never happen, PC and the jellyfish would rather fall on their swords.
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Old 23rd Oct 2018, 00:22
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Haha....! My favourite line from the article; "He reminded them the airline had already taken “exceptional” action by dropping its earlier proposal to make the cadets pay half the cost of their training". So, the company "waiving" something that should never have applied to the cadets in the first place is somehow the CX being "exceptional"...?? WTF? As "From a Distance" said earlier, my contempt for this management is complete. They all embarrass themselves, but of course they have no shame, so therefore don't suffer embarrassment. Bottom of the Barrel. For those already at CX, the quote above is from the most likely in line to be the next DFO. That should tell you all you need to know about the style of management you can expect. Don't walk, run to your next employer. This one is beyond saving.
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