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Old 18th Oct 2018, 11:13
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HE????????
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Old 18th Oct 2018, 11:16
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How about when No 13th month is announced we finally grow a pair and call for a strike vote!!
Time to stop talking shyt and start doing...
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Old 18th Oct 2018, 11:27
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Originally Posted by carolknows View Post
What about the pilot on instagram who entices others to join on the current contract knowing its a downhill deal?
He needs to be stopped.
An ego maniac and a very sad reflection on the pilot body. But remember he joined via ASL so never did the complete CX recruitment thing. In by the back door for good reason.
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Old 18th Oct 2018, 11:28
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Originally Posted by bm330 View Post
Except the market is not driven by its size, its driven by supply and demand.

During an age when you actually needed to be a pilot to hold a cockpit job, skills were rewarded. Modern aircraft have never been safer and the Accountants have realized that they essentially fly themselves. Widebody international flying was once limited to experienced, skilled aviators. Now it's full of newbie, low time kids willing to work for peanuts - essentially what they're worth. Only after events like AF or German Wings, does the public question who is actually in the seat. At the end of the day, until they're afraid for their own well being, the driving force is the price of a ticket. So far, none of the long list of 'errors' has cost CX a serious accident. If/when it does, maybe then things will change.
My point was pilots should control the supply not airlines or manufacturers.
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Old 18th Oct 2018, 14:20
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Originally Posted by Kid Dynamite View Post
How about when No 13th month is announced we finally grow a pair and call for a strike vote!!
Time to stop talking shyt and start doing...
Bet the vote is done and dusted before the 13th month announcement and early in the new year a order for more aircraft or some other change where pilots will have been outplayed again.
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Old 18th Oct 2018, 15:01
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Originally Posted by Bend alot View Post
So how much fight is there for a 30 years of service senior captain with a wife and 2 kids?

While stuck in Hong Hong in deteriorating conditions he will still be on a high salary (minus the 13th I hear) and have pretty good accommodation and education I believe and the best pick of the roster.

Now after 30 years where can this guy go?

Even a direct entry captain will have lower pay (yes overall) but the loss of seniority and the shyty shifts you are given takes the life out of your twilight years of employment, that quality family time at the good holiday periods is gone. Forget holidays for kids summer vacations or any school holidays.

Every 30 year senior would have been against the B scale introduction and a negative look at the pilots that took the B scale jobs with reduced pay and conditions, but the trend on job scales continues.

So we have A scale that can not really go any place unless they want to try a new venture or retire.
We have B scale that are happy if A scale leave or assist them for a better package for them. But they are starting to get some senior benefits and not happy the new C scale are making it hard for the B's to get a better package.

Then we have the C scale that many will happily flow thru the system for a few years to get "paid training" on the jets.

By the time the A's have retired many of the B's will be in the current A's position.

Dropknee - I am not a pilot but do work in the industry. I am currently a member of 2 unions and actively trying to "maintain" and then increase our pay and conditions, our employer is hell bent on reducing our conditions by lots and in return a increase far less than inflationary pay increase. The work we have done in informing the staff of what is happening to them is massive, but they are starting to get united in rejecting the offer given to us.
Good to hear you are working collectively to make your situation better. I believe a new era is on the horizon. Those companies that continue to disregard their employees. Do so at great risk to themselves.
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Old 19th Oct 2018, 00:47
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Originally Posted by unitedabx View Post
Make the most of it while you can. This profession is extinct.
I couldn't agree more.
Obvoiusly our union believe the "pilot shortage" (which they continually spruik on social media) will be solved by giving us a better package.
Worth a try I guess, but they are burying their head in the sand....
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Old 19th Oct 2018, 03:42
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Originally Posted by sptraveller View Post
I really feel for you on this "I know I'd be going in and taking people's jobs which is why I'm hesitant to apply" but frankly this just isn't your responsibility.

You can't possibly be in any way responsible for the welfare of a team or community that you aren't even a member of.

If you apply and succeed, all you did is follow their rules which you had no input into.

Apply. Join. When you get there, be a good team player.

Even if that means the irony of not hiring yourself tomorrow.
Yup. The responsibility for accepting poorer terms lies solely with the generation that did nothing to protect the future. Gurning that "you get what you signed for and now you're hurting the CoS of the present group and that you have no right to demand improvements at our expense" (while still training them no less) is perverse, naive, flawed and retarded.

But, if you added all the vertebrae at CX/KA, you couldn't build a single spine.
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Old 19th Oct 2018, 05:29
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Just a curious question, is it true CX prefers hiring SO's and DEFO's of Canadian or Aussie/Anzac origin rather than other nationalities?
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Old 19th Oct 2018, 06:25
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Originally Posted by athrun View Post
Just a curious question, is it true CX prefers hiring SO's and DEFO's of Canadian or Aussie/Anzac origin rather than other nationalities?
Recruitment is now the domain of the 'People' department. They just want to fill seats. Flying ability and experience no longer required. Preference given to locals as they are less likely to leave.
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Old 19th Oct 2018, 10:07
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Let’s see how they rationalize that with the current LOSA report.....
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Old 19th Oct 2018, 14:32
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According to Ray Dalio, we're in the 7th inning of this super cycle. It's sort of unprecedented that this business cycle has lasted this long, the Fed is obviously trying to play catch up with rate hikes which only worsens debt servicing. Airlines/Travel industry are usually the worst hit when there's an economic downturn, bad timing I guess.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/11/bill...mic-cycle.html
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Old 20th Oct 2018, 04:45
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Originally Posted by AdB29 View Post


There are other options out there. For starts HK Express is an option and most SOs would meet the requirements and HK Express would love to have them. Contracts are very transparent and you will already earn more than an SO salary plus you get an upgrade to FO and you ACTUALLY FLY THE AIRCRAFT.

You tell me how that is not a better option???!!!

So please stop spreading your CX BS here.
So HKE want 500 on type with a 320 or 330 rating and youíre saying most Cathay S/Os have that? Or even more experience if youíre NTR.
When I bump into a CX S/O who joined as a cadet with 500 hrs jet Iíll let you know.
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Old 20th Oct 2018, 05:35
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Originally Posted by morningcoffee View Post

So HKE want 500 on type with a 320 or 330 rating and youíre saying most Cathay S/Os have that? Or even more experience if youíre NTR.
When I bump into a CX S/O who joined as a cadet with 500 hrs jet Iíll let you know.
HKE are targeting a much better experience level than CX. RHS positions being offered not backseat radio operators as in CX.
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Old 20th Oct 2018, 12:45
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Originally Posted by AdB29 View Post


I was an SO with only a few thousand turboprop and a few hundred P2X (Which probably counted as NOTHING). I got in, no type rating on 320. Full type rating course was done.

I am sure there are many SOs that had my similar experience plus more! HK Express is also starting their Second Officer program for pilots with less than their First Officer Requirements (1500 TT), the difference is these Second Officers will actually fly! Much better option for cadets who need to gain that experience.
The important question, how are you enjoying life at HKE?

Honest question as I am interested to have an insight at what life with them could be like.
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Old 20th Oct 2018, 17:08
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Originally Posted by AdB29 View Post


I was an SO with only a few thousand turboprop and a few hundred P2X (Which probably counted as NOTHING). I got in, no type rating on 320. Full type rating course was done.

I am sure there are many SOs that had my similar experience plus more! HK Express is also starting their Second Officer program for pilots with less than their First Officer Requirements (1500 TT), the difference is these Second Officers will actually fly! Much better option for cadets who need to gain that experience.
Well done. Happy flying.
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Old 20th Oct 2018, 23:26
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Starting pay is around $50K at HKE, about the same as the S/O package at CX so the new S/O job at HKE is going to pay way less. And youíre all bitching that you canít survive in HKG on what CX pay but HKE (and HKA for that matter) enable you to live a great life in HKG, on less money.
The hypocrisy is a joke, have you seen the schooling allowance for HKE?
Anything to get in a new shiny jet. NTR at HKE are bonded I assume.
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Old 21st Oct 2018, 00:32
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Originally Posted by morningcoffee View Post

When I bump into a CX S/O who joined as a cadet with 500 hrs jet Iíll let you know.
This statement tells you everything you need to know about CXís current hiring standards. Absolutely, positively scraping the bottom of the barrel, and you can tell most days out on the line. Most of the decent ones get hired elsewhere, leaving the worst of the worst for us to fly beside. Guaranteed hull loss by the end of the next decade...
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Old 21st Oct 2018, 00:47
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Old 21st Oct 2018, 18:54
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Wow $110k a month base pay for an F/O is great money, skippers must be on $150k a month base pay at least. Sounds like HKE is the place to be, thatís at least 30% better than what CX pay. In fact a new joiner F/O at HKE is doing better than a skipper at CX.
Always good when someone presents the facts. And everyone is happy and they love the place, and they treat everyone so well.
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