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Welcome to Oakland (our new hotel destination for SFO)

Old 30th Jul 2018, 17:18
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I thought USA was more than 95% immigrants!!!!!
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Old 30th Jul 2018, 19:09
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Well, I think it's reasonable not to want to stay in a bad area. But seriously guys?
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Old 30th Jul 2018, 21:23
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Originally Posted by Apple Tree Yard View Post
This is what awaits... Girls are going to LOVE it ! Another thing many of you haven't experienced yet...welcome to a much 'darker' part of America (you can read between the lines as you wish).

SHOCK VIDEO: Member Of Right-Wing Group Faces Brutal Beating The Daily Caller
Read between the lines? Why post this SHOCK VIDEO. Political street violence has nothing to do with night stops and suggests a subtle bigotry.
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CX lays over in much more dangerous places around the world than Oakland and experienced air crew know to avoid street hassles, demonstrations, and protests. A bit of a drive from SFO I'd reckon but parts of Oakland are very nice with excellent bars and restaurants. Lake Merritt (lived there) , Piedmont Ave, Jack London Square. A retired Captain I know even had a upscale LOFT in downtown

Anyone have a spare $1.7mil for a new Oakland Hills Residence?

The views are astounding.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVtqmGSO4rA&feature=youtu.be

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Old 30th Jul 2018, 21:27
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Originally Posted by pax britanica View Post
It varies from place to place as do our economies and we have some things that you in America don't; like free speech...

Fortunately there is a big ocean between us ( or along haul flight if you prefer) so you can live your lives and we can live ours .
Well, pax, that's a pretty interesting statement: the US doesn't have free speech ?

Perhaps you can educate us Colonists with a comprehensive list of situations in US history where speech was suppressed by the force and police power of government to such an extent that you now have unequivocally proven the US today doesn't have it.

And, yes, it's very fortunate a "big ocean" is between us so YOU don't have to come here...and we'll never know you didn't.
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Old 30th Jul 2018, 23:08
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Originally Posted by Koan View Post
Read between the lines? Why post this SHOCK VIDEO. Political street violence has nothing to do with night stops and suggests a subtle bigotry.
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CX lays over in much more dangerous places around the world than Oakland and experienced air crew know to avoid street hassles, demonstrations, and protests. A bit of a drive from SFO I'd reckon but parts of Oakland are very nice with excellent bars and restaurants. Lake Merritt (lived there) , Piedmont Ave, Jack London Square. A retired Captain I know even had a upscale LOFT in downtown

Anyone have a spare $1.7mil for a new Oakland Hills Residence?

The views are astounding.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVtq...ature=youtu.be

Ahh, the old "bigotry" accusation, the usual default attack position of the left. A perusal of the latest crime statistics for different urban areas of the USA will make it quite clear just how dangerous Oakland is. The racial makeup of the town is not something you can just wish away. I know for you liberals the acceptance of fact is a bit difficult at most times. It's hard for you to deal with the real world outside of your little bubbles of self-delusion that you inhabit. As for purchasing property in Oakland. Bwahahahaha
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Old 31st Jul 2018, 00:40
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Originally Posted by Apple Tree Yard View Post
Ahh, the old "bigotry" accusation, the usual default attack position of the left. A perusal of the latest crime statistics for different urban areas of the USA will make it quite clear just how dangerous Oakland is. The racial makeup of the town is not something you can just wish away. I know for you liberals the acceptance of fact is a bit difficult at most times. It's hard for you to deal with the real world outside of your little bubbles of self-delusion that you inhabit. As for purchasing property in Oakland. Bwahahahaha
I'm not a liberal sir.

Have you ever driven up Skyline Blvd? Too rich for my blood
Ever eaten at Baywolf on Peidmont Avenue? (Guess it has been reborn as The Wolf).
https://www.mercurynews.com/2017/02/...n-as-the-wolf/
Are you even a professional pilot? Are you uncomfortable sharing the flight deck with a colleague of the "darker", as you posted, persuasions?
I'm not with CX I will ask my friend who is a Captain at CX where the layover hotel is located as it would not be prudent to post here for security reason.
The area around KOAK/Hegenberger is not safe to walk around at night, neither is MLK Blvd. No crews will be walking around there, and all big cities in the US have have bad areas thanks to poverty and drugs anyway. San Fran is overrun with aggressive homeless and human wastes. I'd rather stay at Mariott Fisherman's Wharf or the Airport hotels than anywhere downtown.

CX crews will not have any issues in OAK. Just as laying over in Delhi best to stick around Paharganj and not wander into some slum, and avoid street hassles.

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Koan, if you are not with CX, then why on earth would you think your opinion is of any value? I don't go around commenting on other industries blogs, imposing my opinion where it's not welcome, nor needed, nor relevant. We are sick of the degradation in our hotel accommodation. Your imposed comments really don't help the debate. Sir. (and your "bigotry" comment completely identifies you as a liberal, so live with it).
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Old 31st Jul 2018, 03:37
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Originally Posted by mngmt mole View Post
Koan, if you are not with CX, then why on earth would you think your opinion is of any value? I don't go around commenting on other industries blogs, imposing my opinion where it's not welcome, nor needed, nor relevant. We are sick of the degradation in our hotel accommodation. Your imposed comments really don't help the debate. Sir. (and your "bigotry" comment completely identifies you as a liberal, so live with it).
So sorry to pollute The Fragrant Harbour but as an actual previous resident of Oakland my opinion obviously does have "value".
The city has always got an undeserved bad rap, and it is much better than in the past.
Half the people from my hometown seem to have migrated to Oakland or Alameda, by the way. The Bay Area suburbs are completely unaffordable.
The degradation of conditions is the same struggle in every Airline, only reason we're not sharing rooms in Chung King Mansions whilst in HK is a working under a decent contract. Sorry to see you get shuttled so far away from SFO. I hope the Hotel itself is not too bad.

Cheers.



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Old 31st Jul 2018, 06:32
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Thank you for the information. However, most of us simply want a decent hotel and the ability to enjoy the time wherever we are staying, and to do so in safety. I think it's a bit of a stretch to suggest that Oakland is a particularly safe place, and certainly not as overall safe as SFO. Regardless of your personal feelings about the place, for crew from HKG, flying into SFO, having to travel to and from Oakland is really not an improvement in our situation.
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Old 31st Jul 2018, 14:14
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There are loads of great hotels and restaurants in Burlingame which is very close to SFO. This is where just about every airlinesí crews layover. I donít understand why CX always has to break with the industry and do random crap like transport crew all the way across town and over the Bay Bridge to Oakland. That is insane!!! Arenít these patterns fatiguing enough? Why add an hour transport on both ends? Itís truly maddening. Keep in mind that traffic will be horrible for much of the day along this route. I bet there are some hotel and allowance savings over there that offset the added transport cost. Crazy!!!
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Old 31st Jul 2018, 15:57
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A one hour travel time if your lucky. Try more like two hours.l
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Old 31st Jul 2018, 22:35
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Used to stay in Hayward, CA on layover. Homeless sleeping outside nearby businesses, random men jumping concrete-block walls with latex gloves in the middle of the day, etc. I'd recommend staying downtown SF at a mainline hotel, Just my opinion. I did not have a good impression of that area, and that was relatively far from OAK...a decade ago.
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Most CBD areas of SFO/OAK are really worth avoiding. The amount of homelessness, hobos, drug use, drunkeness and other anti-social behaviour is really disgusting.

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Most normal Americans would love to see the entire Bay Area carved out and set adrift into the Pacific so it can become the wonderful liberal utopia it strives to be. Then they can show us how great the far left agenda is when they look like some of the other awesome places these similar policies have created. Places like Cuba, Venezuela, etc. Viva la revelucian!
As opposed to the right wing paradise that is Russia?

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As for the USA, it's a country based on a shared ideal, not race, not religion
The USA is a country that is essentially ungovernable.

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Regardless of difficult times, the US will ALWAYS find ways to reinvent itself.
What is that supposed to mean?

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For all it's faults, it will always provide the world the ultimate beacon of liberty, freedom and opportunity.
What a wonderfully objective statement!

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After the immigration invasion your experiencing has taken over your nation. Donít come crying on my doorstep.
Ten years ago migration from Bulgaria and Romania was supposedly going to be the end of Europe. Twenty years ago a large influx of Builders and Plumbers from Poland was supposedly going to be the end of Europe. I wonder what people will be saying is going to cause the end of Europe in ten years time.
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Old 9th Aug 2018, 15:50
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A one hour travel time if your lucky. Try more like two hours.l
Very true. Basing SFO crews in Oakland is insane due to the Bay Bridge being a nightmare most of the time and basically impassable some of the time.

I live in the East Bay and go past the Marriott most days of the week. I donít know how the hotel is but the area is not all bad. In the daytime itís really no worse than downtown SF. And at night Iím not sure downtown SF is better now either.

Want to party at night? You are only a short Uber ride to Piedmont which is a rich and safe area with many restaurants .
A few miles further is Rockridge area which is safe and has many restaurants slightly further is the college town of Berkeley, lots to do. I go there most days and itís safe even late at night.

Walk a few steps and take Bart to the very nice and very safe town of Walnut Creek about 12 miles north Take Uber back at night. BART can be sketchy at night and some BART stations not the best...like in Oakland.

Crews based at the Marriott for a few days can go to many nice places and honestly there is no need to miss SF. I almost never go there now...no reason to.

But SFO crew in Oakland is logistically bad. SF is far from SFO, Oakland is going further in the wrong direction.






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Agree with most of the above, just donít wear your red MAGA hat outside your hotel room. That could be counterproductive to your physical security. God would probably have to drop most of the left coast into the Pacific if the country truly wanted to MAGA.
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Very true. Basing SFO crews in Oakland is insane due to the Bay Bridge being a nightmare most of the time and basically impassable some of the time.

I live in the East Bay and go past the Marriott most days of the week. I donít know how the hotel is but the area is not all bad. In the daytime itís really no worse than downtown SF. And at night Iím not sure downtown SF is better now either.

Want to party at night? You are only a short Uber ride to Piedmont which is a rich and safe area with many restaurants .
A few miles further is Rockridge area which is safe and has many restaurants slightly further is the college town of Berkeley, lots to do. I go there most days and itís safe even late at night.

Walk a few steps and take Bart to the very nice and very safe town of Walnut Creek about 12 miles north Take Uber back at night. BART can be sketchy at night and some BART stations not the best...like in Oakland.

Crews based at the Marriott for a few days can go to many nice places and honestly there is no need to miss SF. I almost never go there now...no reason to.

But SFO crew in Oakland is logistically bad. SF is far from SFO, Oakland is going further in the wrong direction.






Yes, but can you step outside at 3 am (lunch time in HK) and get a feed within walking distance? No? not a suitable hotel then
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The Boston hotel is not suitable then either, or Chicago.
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Not too many places you can walk from the hotel and find something good to eat at 3am and be safe.



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Ten years ago migration from Bulgaria and Romania was supposedly going to be the end of Europe. Twenty years ago a large influx of Builders and Plumbers from Poland was supposedly going to be the end of Europe. I wonder what people will be saying is going to cause the end of Europe in ten years time.[/QUOTE]

easy answer my friend, your polish builders and plumbers from Poland and the romanian and Bulgarians migrations are and have been integrated to a degree, now in 10 years you are going to have 10 million economic migrants from the subcontinent with no skills,no integration selling trinkets in your streets drawing your social benefits and increasing your local unemployable citizens and using your medical resources, read my lips and donít call me racist. Itís inevitable. The only countries that would be able to survive will be the eastern ones and Russia and of course Switzerland. Do you see China who is sending millions of yuanís there accepting any I mean ANY economic migrants in their country? They only aim is to sapp those countries of vital resources while leaving the immigration problem to Europe, isnít that a great deal?

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Old 10th Aug 2018, 05:00
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The Boston hotel is not suitable then either, or Chicago.
You are Correct!
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