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Old 9th Jul 2018, 14:54
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SO Upgrade Time

G'day! I have recently received a response from Mrs.Crawford about the upgrade time and this is what she wrote to me:

"The HKCAD will only licence a P2X rating for a maximum of 5 years from initial line check without an exemption. Therefore it is highly unlikely anyone would remain a SO over 4.8yrs, worst case scenario.

Regards,
Kelly

Kelly Crawford
Talent Acquisition Manager - Operation"


If what she said is true, that the HKCAD will only licence a P2X rating for a maximum of 5 years, then how come you guys keep throwing out the 6 - 7 years time frame? Is that even possible? Can someone explain to me please?
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Old 9th Jul 2018, 22:57
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Because Cathay just disregard the law
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Old 10th Jul 2018, 00:13
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Why would someone spend 5 years in aviation and gain zero experience?
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Old 10th Jul 2018, 00:46
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5 Years ??

Originally Posted by letsfly75 View Post
Why would someone spend 5 years in aviation and gain zero experience?
It used to be about 3 years and, many many years ago, one could argue it was "worth it" in the long run for a young fella/gal.
At now 5+ (+) years and many many years later, and if you know basic form 5 math, there is not a chance in Hell the wait is worth it. None..

#CXit
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Old 10th Jul 2018, 01:11
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#CXit
Just as the above named woman has.
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Old 10th Jul 2018, 02:38
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"Talent acquisition manager" ?? That title says it all really. What this airline has become. Good grief.
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Old 10th Jul 2018, 02:50
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One might wonder if that position still exists? CAE recruiting for CX and Mrs C now working for Quantas. That’s karma all things considered.
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Old 10th Jul 2018, 03:05
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Approaching 5 years, they P1 rate you in preparation for JFO, and you remain as an SO. There. No more P2X.
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Old 10th Jul 2018, 06:31
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mtc that is exactly what was planned some ten years ago when I was involved with training. We ran it by CAD verbally and the then FOI could not see a problem with it. S/O with a P2 or P1 rating was acceptable with no time limits. Maybe a current FOI would complain but I doubt it.
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Old 11th Jul 2018, 00:10
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They will just apply for an exemption and the CAD will say yes like always....thats the deal mate....she said highly unlikely....means it will happen regularly and we can get it lifted. Just ask anyone around here about FTLs and cathays dispensations...like one that they have to apply table x for recovery from long haul except when they dont want to....they dont have to apply it....
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Old 11th Jul 2018, 01:22
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Originally Posted by Scoreboard View Post
....she said highly unlikely....means it will happen regularly and we can get it lifted..
Make me snort my morning coffee in fits of laughter again.
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Old 11th Jul 2018, 03:17
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So, nearly as bad as Qantas then. Except, at the far Q, less pay, higher taxes, no health and absolutely no housing. Seems like a no-brainer.
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Old 11th Jul 2018, 03:48
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Originally Posted by shortly2 View Post
So, nearly as bad as Qantas then. Except, at the far Q, less pay, higher taxes, no health and absolutely no housing. Seems like a no-brainer.
No-Brainer ??

Shortly2 has just demonstrated his non existent mathematical skills. He could get instruction on the setup of a spreadsheet taking into acount the long term effect of "Cost of Living" in the worlds most expensive city..
But then again, probably to simple to accomplish that task and be honest about the results he would get..

Would be perfect at CX "Leadership" role.
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Old 11th Jul 2018, 04:03
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I have only seen fools with money depart the fix here not well set up. The gig is still financially viable. SO's with kids struggle and I feel for them. But we all struggled payday to payday at the start of our careers. I would love to see HKPA raised, even a little. Run away if you will but the grass is not greener, bit like a mirage really, elsewhere.
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Old 11th Jul 2018, 05:54
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I think youíll find it isnít really about the money but the quality of life relative to your situation. The issues in CX compound the simple fact that HK is not home for many so why stay languishing as an SO when ultimately you will try and find a job back home in the future. For many HK simply isnít sustainable for those wishing to bring up a family etc etc. Yes Ts&Cs elsewhere may not be any better however the issues of rostering etc become tolerable because youíre where you want to be, not forced to live somewhere like HK which has too many cons compared to the pros. Silly rent, substandard expensive groceries, bad air, not the real world for expats...to name but a few. Ultimately if a half decent opportunity in your home country arises and you already wince at the idea of living in HK forever...why as an SO or even JFO/FO would you stay?
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Old 11th Jul 2018, 06:46
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Originally Posted by AdB29 View Post
So now the job of an SO is viable just because the money is sort of ok? Really? What happened to the actual passion of flying and touching the controls?

I donít think any SO out there likes the fact sitting 5 years as an SO. Itís a waste of your skill and cheap labour while DEFOs are taking their supposed future role. The problem is, we get comfortable in our situations and donít want change. Thatís understandable.

I took the the opportunity and made the jump from an SO to a FO at another airline in HK. I can say the grass is not greener but just remember why you started flying, and remember your passion.

To other SOs, times are changing and there are other opportunities out there in HK. Just take a look and you will see...
Hear, hear.

I jumped too and don't regret it.
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Old 11th Jul 2018, 08:00
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Reality Check

Originally Posted by letsfly75 View Post
Why would someone spend 5 years in aviation and gain zero experience?
Because shortly2 says it's "financially viable"

Get married, have 2 kids, put kids through good schools, sports and university, pay medical/dental bills, don't eat noodles 3 times a day, buy a nice house/apartment that is not a shoe box, don't forget to consider inflation re your salary and pathetic pension +++.

COST it OUT and tell me your version of "viable" !! shortly2 has zero insight and zero long term planning skills or vision.
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Old 13th Jul 2018, 09:22
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It is so disgusting to see how they would rather twist and bend the truth than being completely truthful and honest.

I don't see how healthy this company can be. That being said, you guys are getting excited to say Goodbye to Anna, are things gonna get better from now on? Also, I heard the new Recruitment Manager is from the Emirates Group, will she pick up a fight with the management team over this policy? Lots of uncertainties there.
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