CX Parking Planes?
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Leave slots cancelled, commercial cancellation of flights...so that 4 daily sydney is now 3 daily...rome or paris now becomes rostered week long layover......long haul flights departing with 2 or more captains....leases expiring and aircraft leaving with no replacements for near future...
overall moving the deck chairs to keep semblance of normal...parking a jet would be an open admittance of management incompetence....we cant have that now...we have to ensure we screw the pilots to give us concessions..
overall moving the deck chairs to keep semblance of normal...parking a jet would be an open admittance of management incompetence....we cant have that now...we have to ensure we screw the pilots to give us concessions..
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Just take a look at the number of aircraft parked between the 07's. They shuffle them in and out to look like they’re not parked long term but the utilisation of airframes must be at its lowest since SARS in 03.
They’re not getting any better at managing, just better at hiding the fact they’re not very good at it.
They’re not getting any better at managing, just better at hiding the fact they’re not very good at it.
Another victim of industrial-organizational psychology.
The news over our way changes daily . 5 more aircraft ? Not many at KA would care except juniors and guys who are yet to join. A predictable mess for CX Pilots that should have been addressed years ago with a rational consideration of weighted and protective integration .
And as a postscript the highest paid Pilots in the group are over your way . Rather odd considering your CC campaign . Long haul and OT rather lucrative .
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5 CX 330s coming to KA next year. Replacements only. 5 KA HL series aircraft are reaching end of life an are being replaced.
No expansion plans at KA. Most of the line training captains have just been stood down. Too many with no training planned.
Looks to to me like KA is in limbo and CX is shrinking.
No expansion plans at KA. Most of the line training captains have just been stood down. Too many with no training planned.
Looks to to me like KA is in limbo and CX is shrinking.
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The decision by the DPA to accept 0% had nothing to do with guaranteeing expansion. It was a pragmatic decision. The company had made a loss and the optics of KA pilots demanding a pay rise just weren’t going to be good. No one at the meeting was happy with that. In fact no one even spoke in support of the motion. It carried because of the practicalities of the situation.
However should the company post a profit ( as expected) there is an expectation the company will compensate us for our patience. I wouldn’t expect the same vote next time.
However should the company post a profit ( as expected) there is an expectation the company will compensate us for our patience. I wouldn’t expect the same vote next time.
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Giggerty, You state “. There is an expectation that company will compensate us for our patience “
i dont want want to be rude , but seriously when has the company EVER compensated any employee for their patience or doing the right thing in hard times ?
i dont want want to be rude , but seriously when has the company EVER compensated any employee for their patience or doing the right thing in hard times ?
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Swire playbook rule one. At every opportunity complain about economic downturns, competition, currency movements, fuel prices, yield, return on capital invested, etc.
Swire playbook rule two. If despite their sheer incompetence they actually make money, complain that aviation is cyclic and any of the factors in rule one are just around the corner.
We’ve all been had. They reward themselves handsomely year after year irrespective of financial results due to the “cyclic nature of the aviation industry”, yet in a classical “privatize the profits, socialize the losses” playbook, rarely reward their staff even during the good times. Management laugh that we now have to fight for 13th month as it has effectively consigned profit share to the history books.
The pigs have rewritten the barn wall slogan. 13th month IS profit share.
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If the expectation isn’t met then the outcome of the vote will be different. I’m sure CC will get the numbers if a profit is made and nothing is coming our way. It seems to be the general consensus that a limit had been reached.
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Look we all know what that vote was about: The older generation not wanting to rock the boat and see the notice given on the FLPS. That was the talk of the town; if we go into CC they will pull our leave scheme!
Understandable from that perspective, but let’s call it what it was. Voting NO to the offer did not mean voting YES to CC or any other form of action. It meant no this offer is not good enough and come back with something better. Our membership voted that this was good enough.
This will be the third year in a row that we get 0% inflation adjustment. Even if profits are made we must “claw back” hedging losses before anything happens. Another vote will be had and the new offer, same as the old offer, will be voted in because “we have to protect the leave scheme”.
Then after the negotiations and industrial tension dies down for a second the inevitable whinging and complaining will start again on the flight deck. It is what it is and actually quite rational; I would probably have the same thinking process if I was a B scaler with a couple years left.
Let’s also remember we are on the longest Bull run in history as we speak with what I believe is the biggest world wide pilot shortage in history. This party is not going to last forever, a cycle correction will happen sooner or later. If we can’t get inflation adjustment when times are this good in the world wide economy, I fear we have interesting times ahead.
Understandable from that perspective, but let’s call it what it was. Voting NO to the offer did not mean voting YES to CC or any other form of action. It meant no this offer is not good enough and come back with something better. Our membership voted that this was good enough.
This will be the third year in a row that we get 0% inflation adjustment. Even if profits are made we must “claw back” hedging losses before anything happens. Another vote will be had and the new offer, same as the old offer, will be voted in because “we have to protect the leave scheme”.
Then after the negotiations and industrial tension dies down for a second the inevitable whinging and complaining will start again on the flight deck. It is what it is and actually quite rational; I would probably have the same thinking process if I was a B scaler with a couple years left.
Let’s also remember we are on the longest Bull run in history as we speak with what I believe is the biggest world wide pilot shortage in history. This party is not going to last forever, a cycle correction will happen sooner or later. If we can’t get inflation adjustment when times are this good in the world wide economy, I fear we have interesting times ahead.
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One way or the other, they have started new subsidiaries to suck the profit away from the Mother Company so they can make profit disappear at will. Latest = HAECO Cabin Solutions in the US that are now "manufacturing" all the new economy class seats and, of course, "charge" CX for the seats. i.e. Say by by to another slice of any profit in the offing...
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Dr F.
I can appreciate where you’re coming from, and to a large extent I agree with you. You are correct. Voting No wasn’t a vote for CC, it was just a rejection of an offer. No one is happy with 0%. We could have voted No and seen what the consequences were. Maybe the company would have caved in and come back to the table or maybe they would have headed for the trenches. I suspect the latter if you reference their dealings with the AOA of the last few years.
I voted yes this time because the risk versus reward just didn’t add up. You can’t get blood from a stone and I felt the timing wasn’t right to escalate things. That was my thoughts at the time, and where I differ from you.
However, I’m certain that I and many others will not be so accepting in future. I’ll be voting No unless there is a significant offer made. I don’t think I’m alone.
I can appreciate where you’re coming from, and to a large extent I agree with you. You are correct. Voting No wasn’t a vote for CC, it was just a rejection of an offer. No one is happy with 0%. We could have voted No and seen what the consequences were. Maybe the company would have caved in and come back to the table or maybe they would have headed for the trenches. I suspect the latter if you reference their dealings with the AOA of the last few years.
I voted yes this time because the risk versus reward just didn’t add up. You can’t get blood from a stone and I felt the timing wasn’t right to escalate things. That was my thoughts at the time, and where I differ from you.
However, I’m certain that I and many others will not be so accepting in future. I’ll be voting No unless there is a significant offer made. I don’t think I’m alone.
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You guys are funny! Banging on about how much more KA pilots get paid continuously then expecting us to pursue a further wage disparity with a strategic industrial campaign ? What are the chances of that having success? They’d play your legacy sensibilities off against us ensuring a train wreck.
Another victim of industrial-organizational psychology.
The news over our way changes daily . 5 more aircraft ? Not many at KA would care except juniors and guys who are yet to join. A predictable mess for CX Pilots that should have been addressed years ago with a rational consideration of weighted and protective integration .
And as a postscript the highest paid Pilots in the group are over your way . Rather odd considering your CC campaign . Long haul and OT rather lucrative .
Usually when the company is utilising divide and conquer tactics it’s throwing a bone to KA while big brother gets nothing. I’m slowly sorting my kids fees for University, pity I’m not getting them paid for.