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What to do with DEFO who can't fly

Old 25th May 2018, 11:53
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I think it is unfair to be talking about an individual who has had training issues, itís all speculation as to why the CTL was unsuccessful.
I know you all want the company to burn to the ground but donít use an individual as ammunition against the company, thatís one of the reasons Australia had a royal commission into union tactics and bullying.

Ready to get sh$t canned by geniuses with big words now!
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Old 25th May 2018, 12:01
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Glad we are in Hong Kong not stralia mate. No rules on that type of stuff in this land.
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Old 25th May 2018, 12:23
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Exit Strategy: What I was referring to was the fact that a large percentage of the early RAAF B707 crew all joined CX in the early 80s (ie. 1984 -86 ) Hence with the turnover of crews then "old lessons" were forgotten/overlooked.
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Old 25th May 2018, 12:41
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Expect more SAFFA's

South African CAA has just grounded regional airline, SA Express

CX couldn't get the SAA pilots to come but they might well have their pick, if SA Express doesn't get their AOC back quickly. Never fails to amaze me how this company always manages to "pull a rabbit out of a hat" and is willing to trade in someone's misfortune in the process!

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Old 25th May 2018, 13:20
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From Bowingís article, last paragraph...

ďIf you have something dysfunctional and (you) try to sell it, you will get little for it. The real challenge is putting the right people in the right places both on boards and management teams, and having the right oversight,Ē he said.

As CX/Swire knows all too well!!
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Old 25th May 2018, 13:39
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Right Management !!

Originally Posted by cxorcist View Post
From Bowing’s article, last paragraph...

“If you have something dysfunctional and (you) try to sell it, you will get little for it. The real challenge is putting the right people in the right places both on boards and management teams, and having the right oversight,” he said.

As CX/Swire knows all too well!!
Yes, yes, the "right management" in the right place. Blah, blah blah - read the latest FOP "Leadership" appointments. The jokes on us... JFC

#CXit
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Old 25th May 2018, 16:30
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Perhaps Cathay is moving to 'level the playing ground'.

In America over the past three decades a push to embrace a broader hiring demographic (i.e. anybody but a straight white male) has led to changes in recruitment and training standards.

Technical exams have largely been eliminated since some of the most desirable demographics as a group do poorly on them.

Remedial training programs have been put in place to assist those who have difficulty meeting the minimum standards.

Every major airline seems to have a small group of 'frequent flyers at the training academy'. The traditional method of eventually weeding out the folks who could never pass a checkride and drained expensive training resources was to have the feds observe and pull their ticket. However, a few lawsuits have promoted a system where some folks are given nearly endless training opportunities.

And you have the poster child phenomenon where 'diverse' pilots are featured prominently in advertising and media coverage.

For example:

https://about.van.fedex.com/blog/earning-her-wings/

FedEx hires first African-American woman pilot abc7ny.com

And 'milestones' are celebrated:

All Black Female Flight Crew Makes History on Alaska Airlines Travel + Leisure

1st African-American, all-female flight crew honored for Black History Month - WKRN

Southwest Just Celebrated an All-female, 'Unmanned' Flight Crew Travel + Leisure
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Old 26th May 2018, 16:57
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Problem CX has now,
What if somebody else fails? If terminated he/She Will have a field day in court since CX moved a DEFO sideways, No chance to weed out the dross.

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Old 27th May 2018, 00:21
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Weak Capt

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Problem CX has now,
What if somebody else fails? If terminated he/She Will have a field day in court since CX moved a DEFO sideways, No change to weed out the dross.
Same people passed a Captain following vociferous and exasperating reports from trainers only to have same crew member demoted 1 or 2 years later following string of incidents. Sh** luck really that none of the incidents were very serious.

Everybody wins here and everybody gets at trophy. The #AltLeft liberals have arrived. Too hard (and/or expensive) just dumb the whole system down to fit the tanking experience levels. Walang Problema
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Old 27th May 2018, 01:34
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Or you could have ended up with a pathological, corrupt, cynical woman who heads the ultimate political crime family. An heir to the previous admin which corrupted the highest levels of power at all levels. Yes, that would have been soooo much better.
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Old 27th May 2018, 21:51
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You people suck. Leave the lass alone. She is keen and a pleasant person. Whether or not she should be here is a quite a few pay grades above the likes of you and me. I wish her the best in her CV. I would have sent her to an even pussier aircraft, the French one perhaps. Anyone posting that a single engine approach in a 777 equates in any way to 2 engine inop approach in a Jumbo is a joker.
It is not about her as a person. This is about a reasonable expectation from the travelling public that the pilots are able to save their arses when things go wrong. The STCs are bestowed their privileges from HKCAD, they have a responsibility to set standards and protect the traveling public. It is past time they made a stand. Stomping their feet and writing a letter to the DFO did little more than increase their culpability when a hull is lost with all on board.
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Old 28th May 2018, 04:06
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All the more reason for the STC to quit his training position. I hope he has after this show of respect for his position.
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Old 28th May 2018, 07:16
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Mate most STCs don't care, they realize that are no failures at cx anymore, the more LIKES, the shorter or easier the course. At least when the BOI looks at it at least attention was drawn.
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Old 28th May 2018, 09:54
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My post, #53 was in response to a post previous that denigrated Trump. The coward that posted it has now deleted it. Pathetic. I don't mind you having a different political position than me, but at least have enough integrity to support your position.
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Old 28th May 2018, 10:18
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Yes, a bit bizarre. The whole tenor of Post 52 was changed by 180 degrees, making my response a non sequiteur, so I deleted it. Weird.

My response equated Godwin’s Law with irrelevantly invoking Trump contributing to the standards problems of a Hong Kong airline. The reference to Trump had been removed.

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Old 2nd Jun 2018, 04:29
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Diversity and the Inevitable Results

This train has been coming for some years and before any of the snowflakes start boiling over - it has NOTHING to do with ethnicity..

Watch this clip and if it does not ring any bells re the pilot group, you need to read more newspapers and stop getting your news from Google and Facebook.
We are there - ask the Pilot Recruiters who have recently all resigned.

Is the FAA sacrificing your safety for diversity? | On Air Videos | Fox News
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Old 2nd Jun 2018, 14:33
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I read your link - saw Fox News at the end. Glad I did.

Then I moved right along.
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Old 2nd Jun 2018, 15:01
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Originally Posted by betpump5 View Post
I read your link - saw Fox News at the end. Glad I did.

Then I moved right along.
To a safe space...with coloring books, crayons, and teddy bears....
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Old 2nd Jun 2018, 16:33
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Originally Posted by raven11 View Post


To a safe space...with coloring books, crayons, and teddy bears....
Classic Raven! Thanks for the laugh before I sign off for the night. Smiling as I type...
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Old 2nd Jun 2018, 21:13
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Originally Posted by betpump5 View Post
I read your link - saw Fox News at the end. Glad I did.

Then I moved right along.
Why does it matter where the information comes from as long as it's accurate?

Did you watch the video in the link? I think you should, and IF the piece presented there is true ( I use the word "IF" because I don't trust the media) it should make your skin crawl at the level of idiocracy displayed.
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