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Tui UK pilot recruitment.

Old 26th Mar 2018, 02:00
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Tui UK pilot recruitment.

For those interested in getting back to Europe with a good employer.

https://tuijobsuk.co.uk/work-at-tui-travel/tui-airways/pilots/
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Old 26th Mar 2018, 03:05
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Originally Posted by baggagecart View Post
For those interested in getting back to Europe with a good employer.

https://tuijobsuk.co.uk/work-at-tui-...irways/pilots/
They were a good employer. Check with their BALPA council or friends there, about the list of claw backs the company are trying to get from the pilots right now (it is a VERY long list of previously hard won agreements and allowances). TUI are also bench marking EasyJet and Jet2 as comparable packages

Bet the recruiting team won't mention any of the above.

See any parallels?
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Old 26th Mar 2018, 03:10
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Well, the BIG difference is that their management will have to deal with the unions based on contracts and labour law. That is all you need to know about working in HK or a proper first world labour environment.
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Old 26th Mar 2018, 03:30
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Absolutely true, they do have unions and laws but as ever only as strong as the pilots are willing to be. A very good friend stands to lose in excess of 400,000 HKD per year.

All I am saying is buyer beware.
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Old 26th Mar 2018, 09:15
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Good old Traf and his vicarious never ending posts...he’ll be right beyond you up until you walk out the door for the likes of Jet 2, Easy (admittedly EZY has morphed in to a quasi normal carrier), and TUI, and then he’ll still be here sniping from the sidelines, posting about charter and low cost airlines he knows f’all about, never having worked for one of these outfits.
What’s up Traf ? I thought you were on the way out with important business to attend to on your French farm ?

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Old 26th Mar 2018, 14:39
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Well, Anti (auntie?), it's rather a simple calculation. I would rather be earning a modest income, but living back home with a happy wife and children (and a home that I can swing a dead cat in), than live in HK and not only be earning a modest income, but being forced to live like one of the cage people in Mong Kok. Further, no matter how 'difficult' another management could be, I doubt very much that they could ever match the sheer dishonesty, intimidation, venality and incompetence of CX management. And as for TUI or Jet2, several members have already left for those airlines, and seem happy enough (living at home now remember...). I personally would be heading off to BA/VS/QF/UA/DL/UP/FD, but I am quite certain that nearly ANY option other than CX will prove to be a good move. This airline is dying (or havn't you noticed?), and there is now a 20+ year history of attacking and marginalising their pilots. Anyone who does not take advantage of the best hiring market in decades will live to regret it. That is a certainty. As for me, about to leave old chap, Truffles to be found don't you know...
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Old 27th Mar 2018, 07:38
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17 year CX captain just recently left for Jet2, says it all really. Home country, 600 hours a year flying, day flying, nights at home with the family etc. etc. And just flew with an FO waiting for start date with Easy Jet. All lifestyle choices we have to make, especially when the windows are open like they are now. We all know how cyclical aviation recruitment can be and delayed decisions can be costly long term.
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Old 27th Mar 2018, 08:06
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Originally Posted by Trafalgar View Post
Well, Anti (auntie?), it's rather a simple calculation. I would rather be earning a modest income, but living back home with a happy wife and children (and a home that I can swing a dead cat in), than live in HK and not only be earning a modest income, but being forced to live like one of the cage people in Mong Kok. Further, no matter how 'difficult' another management could be, I doubt very much that they could ever match the sheer dishonesty, intimidation, venality and incompetence of CX management. And as for TUI or Jet2, several members have already left for those airlines, and seem happy enough (living at home now remember...). I personally would be heading off to BA/VS/QF/UA/DL/UP/FD, but I am quite certain that nearly ANY option other than CX will prove to be a good move. This airline is dying (or havn't you noticed?), and there is now a 20+ year history of attacking and marginalising their pilots. Anyone who does not take advantage of the best hiring market in decades will live to regret it. That is a certainty. As for me, about to leave old chap, Truffles to be found don't you know...
Trafs - given Brexit it is now pretty easy to walk into any coffee shop or hotel in the UK and get a job as a barista/ chambermaid, so if you've made your cash from HK property, don't even to wait for an airline job
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Old 27th Mar 2018, 08:07
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CX wants senior captains to leave it's the way they budget, all young crew on low pay scales.

They own the training Dept, one type course for a career, then piss them off when they realise a family in HK isn't possible long term.

Those that stay because they're too old simply see their pay cut for the remainder of their career at the rate of inflation or worse.

They're happy being a training airline SO YR1, FO YR1 CN YR1, every time they replace a 10-20yr guy/girl CX wins, planes aren't crashing and crew are scared to rock the boat, discretion, fat chance. As some other bloke said CX pilots are living in FEAR.
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Old 28th Mar 2018, 04:07
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[ Home country, 600 hours a year flying, day flying, nights at home with the family etc]


Jet2:- nights at home. ?.FFS. Have you any idea what you're talking about ?
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Old 28th Mar 2018, 05:36
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Know your enemy-UK company similar management

OK not currently one of the companies being discussed right now but I assure you same mentality but take some time to read this UK Airline Pilot wins fatigue case
and especially the judgement here for the full story. Sober reading and despite eventual support from BALPA and UK laws etc. all of the "managers" involved remain in post or were promoted.
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Old 28th Mar 2018, 07:47
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Antipholus, yes I do. and even with some overnights and charter flying working 5-600 hours a year gives you plenty more nights at home in bed with the wife. Yes there are issues there but also opportunities. With 2 SOs rumoured to be the norm on all European flights how long do you think people will be waiting for upgrade (to FO!) when they can be flying and getting COMMAND in 4-5 years?

And those who have banked some cash from Ďthe good old daysí and sick of it all, working a few shifts in the summer and taking winters off is a nice transition before full retirement.

Personally I think Tui is a better choice and with the possibility of getting on the 787 eventually, 5 nights in cancun anyone? etc etc. sounds a little more enticing but each to their own as I said.

People are waking up to the fact as house prices and education continues to increase here in hkg whilst our wages reduce in real terms, that lifestyle wins out every time. Figure out where you want to be in that last year before retirement and get there as quick as you can, is still the best sage advice to the younger pilots.

The dream of coming abroad to stash a little extra away is long gone. Itís a 2 income job now in Hong Kong, if your wife / girlfriend can even find a job! and even then youíre sacrificing all the good health, living standards, family ties etc etc we all know from experience.
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Old 28th Mar 2018, 09:13
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@ baggagecart:
i'm a bit stumped for you to say there are issues,and opportunities when you are at home in bed with the wife. Can you please elaborate what tui has to do with that?
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Old 28th Mar 2018, 12:25
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Was mentioning Jet2, i.e. salaries could always be higher etc. But as previous posters have mentioned on another thread, people adjust and make it work. The benefits of being in your home country outweigh the salary cut. But at the end of the day itís disposal income and if you can have a 5 bedroom detached house with 2 cars on the drive close to family for the smaller salary...itís always going to be a lifestyle vs cash on paper exercise for C scalers.

I know several pilots at both Tui and Jet2 and all happy working out of their respective bases. Particularly good if you live up North.

As one friend mentioned at Jet 2, very few overnighters just the odd out of base flights.
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Old 28th Mar 2018, 17:05
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TUI's just applied to wet-lease four 737s for about six months, from Canada. Short of planes too ?
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Old 28th Mar 2018, 18:04
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They do that every year, usually with Sunwing. TUI aircraft migrate in the other direction during winter.
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Old 29th Mar 2018, 00:33
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They do that every year, usually with Sunwing. TUI aircraft migrate in the other direction during winter.
I heard has trouble crewing their planes. Not enough captains.
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Old 4th Apr 2018, 16:24
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Usual stuff, they under crew as mainly a summer operation. So lots of overtime during the summer months, then either sit back and relax during the winter months or take an extra contract work and more overtime during winter months.
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Old 17th Apr 2018, 08:32
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Hi there, I have an interview for non type rated direct entry pilot coming up... anyone know any info on what sort of stuff they ask for the tech exam? ATPL sort of stuff? and any info on the case study? thanks
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Old 24th May 2018, 02:51
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If anyone is going to the assessment on the 19th of june for TUI , do please pm me . in specific to the less than 500hr FO position.
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