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How the AOA handles this will be a defining moment. Certainly in terms of its future.
Before we even discuss possible contract/temp bases in JNB or even a sympathetic commuting contract for those potentially at the bottom of a 3000 seniority list, are we really going to allow them to join the pax fleet whilst our Long suffering freighter guys languish?
Before we even discuss possible contract/temp bases in JNB or even a sympathetic commuting contract for those potentially at the bottom of a 3000 seniority list, are we really going to allow them to join the pax fleet whilst our Long suffering freighter guys languish?
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No, Morning Coffee is not a management troll, far from it. Apparently anyone that holds a contrarian view to the one that Traf espouses, must be a management troll. There must be a lot of them on these forums then, in between their daily routines.
And MC is correct..the AOA and GC don't give a sh+t about the freighter, in fact a view held by most of those who are not affected by it, save to say "thank f>>k it isn't me.
And MC is correct..the AOA and GC don't give a sh+t about the freighter, in fact a view held by most of those who are not affected by it, save to say "thank f>>k it isn't me.
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It’s sad that this need be pointed out. Isn’t it obvious? Probably DP hiding in his office. Never see him on the street anymore. His ruin is just about complete, almost in death throes, grasping at straws now in hopes of salvation. Maybe you shouldn’t have tethered your boat to AT’s sinking ship. That was a bad call mate.
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Firstly as four of them mentioned on the AOA forum thread they are 747 Crew ffs, not freighter not ice pirates not rubber dog**** haulers or anything else. 747 Crew, just like 777 Crew or A330 Crew or A350 Crew.
It’s not hard.
Secondly, Curtain Rod, read the dribble by RF telling them that anyone who threatens to leave the AOA is a free loader. Not once does he suggest that as AOA members if they are unhappy, whatever the f*ck it is, they have a right to be heard. In an entire 6+ paragraphs on the aoa forum not once does he say if a group of members are upset by the GC it is never their intent.
It’s the GC ffs, it’s supposed to be the voice of the members, ALL the AOA members.
Trafalgar, I’m arguing that the 747 fleet crews deserve better, you’re arguing the opposite?
It’s not hard.
Secondly, Curtain Rod, read the dribble by RF telling them that anyone who threatens to leave the AOA is a free loader. Not once does he suggest that as AOA members if they are unhappy, whatever the f*ck it is, they have a right to be heard. In an entire 6+ paragraphs on the aoa forum not once does he say if a group of members are upset by the GC it is never their intent.
It’s the GC ffs, it’s supposed to be the voice of the members, ALL the AOA members.
Trafalgar, I’m arguing that the 747 fleet crews deserve better, you’re arguing the opposite?
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Well, we have plenty to moan about, so nothing against the SAA pilots. We simply don't trust our management to deal ethically with any issue that provides them an opportunity to divide our pilot group. Regardless, your colleagues would be well advised to stay away, not because they wouldn't be welcomed by the pilots here (no problem with that), but because they would be royally screwed over by CX management, and the lifestyle would be hellish (just ask our present freighter pilots). Wish you guys the best, as have always like the SA's i've met over the years.
“lifestyle would be hellish”.....compared to being evicted from your farmland (after being raped/plundered), not being able to leave your compound in safety, living in a country with an unimaginable homicide/personal crime rate.....
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Pretty sad when your point of reference is that situation. Still, does not justify invading another airline and undermining the pilots there who are fighting for their own conditions.
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[QUOTE=Farman Biplane;10100350]“lifestyle would be hellish”.....compared to being evicted from your farmland (after being raped/plundered), not being able to leave your compound in safety, living in a country with an unimaginable homicide/personal crime rate.....[/QUOTE
Pherhaps another revolution is in order.
Pherhaps another revolution is in order.
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I've lived in SA 35 years and have never had anything taken/stolen from me or my family.
I don't think ANY SAA pilots would leave to join CX.
Yes, I suppose if you're a farmer living on "stolen" land then you're in trouble but if not then it should not be an issue. Land claims are a legal process. Don't believe all the BS you read here.
BTW : management at SAA have made it clear that not a single employee would be furloughed. CX/Turkish contracts were offered as a temporary measure for anyone wishing to take unpaid leave. Productivity is probably at an all time low but lifestyle is at an all time high.
I don't think ANY SAA pilots would leave to join CX.
Yes, I suppose if you're a farmer living on "stolen" land then you're in trouble but if not then it should not be an issue. Land claims are a legal process. Don't believe all the BS you read here.
BTW : management at SAA have made it clear that not a single employee would be furloughed. CX/Turkish contracts were offered as a temporary measure for anyone wishing to take unpaid leave. Productivity is probably at an all time low but lifestyle is at an all time high.
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"Yes, I suppose if you're a farmer living on "stolen" land then you're in trouble but if not then it should not be an issue. Land claims are a legal process. Don't believe all the BS you read here.
Land claims in Zimbabwe were a "Legal Process" as well.. How did that work out for those land/property owners ?
Come to CX and talk to the many that left...
Tic Toc, Tic Toc.
Land claims in Zimbabwe were a "Legal Process" as well.. How did that work out for those land/property owners ?
Come to CX and talk to the many that left...
Tic Toc, Tic Toc.
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In all seriousness, that CX actually pursued these SAA pilots is really going to be a barometer for their ability to recruit real pilots going forward. If these guys choose otherwise, which I’m hearing they all or mostly will, then CX will know for sure that their future is solely tied to starry-eyed cadets with shiny jet syndrome. The byproducts of that are profound. Turnover will be higher. Failures will be more common. Experience levels in the cockpit will plummet. Safety will be impacted. There is no alternative unless the recruitment package is changed. These airliners are very safe, but they still require experienced pilots to make decisions and keep out of trouble.
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There is no alternative unless the recruitment package is changed
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Some of them will get better conditions, when they are employed with an alrline that respects them and has a package commensurate with the part of the world they are living in. CX seems to think that the most expensive city on earth does not warrant a housing allowance. The resignation rate is a loud answer to that fallacy.
