CX is a case study in how most companies fail
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The elephant in the room regarding the hk pilot community, is that most , like 99% , would be in BA if they could be . But they aren’t. So along comes CX , taking guys with low hours onto wide body.
Ditto KA. But with a lower skill set.
Everyone is interviewing. Looking for new positions, so we are told here. Let me think, how many of our guys ( KA/CX) went to BA?
In KA it was 1. Yes just one pilot out of the 600 plus could pass the BA assessments.
Ok obviously not all applied ‘cos they are ineligible. But the trend is that CX is only bad if you are an older & frustrated type of pilot , lacking in the required emotional intelligence
to successfully move on in the modern era. Not bad , just todays skill sets have changed. As have salaries.
Ditto KA. But with a lower skill set.
Everyone is interviewing. Looking for new positions, so we are told here. Let me think, how many of our guys ( KA/CX) went to BA?
In KA it was 1. Yes just one pilot out of the 600 plus could pass the BA assessments.
Ok obviously not all applied ‘cos they are ineligible. But the trend is that CX is only bad if you are an older & frustrated type of pilot , lacking in the required emotional intelligence
to successfully move on in the modern era. Not bad , just todays skill sets have changed. As have salaries.
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Go look in the terms and endearments thread regarding pilot salaries.
Look at pay scales for Ryanair vs BA.
Look at upgrade times.
Look at spreadsheet of yearly pay. Put in a 40 year career.
I’m not talking about what’s fatiguing, I’m talking about career earnings.
It isn’t actually difficult, but we are talking about 2018. This isn’t BOAC vs Dan Air. Very difficult for some to accept loco don’t pay that badly in 2018. No one pays what they were paying in 1975 in buying power, people might need to accept that and get over it.
Approx 5 passed the interview for BA from CX.
China Southern are offering a commuting contract 23 on 7 off. If you want to talk fatiguing, great money though.
Look at pay scales for Ryanair vs BA.
Look at upgrade times.
Look at spreadsheet of yearly pay. Put in a 40 year career.
I’m not talking about what’s fatiguing, I’m talking about career earnings.
It isn’t actually difficult, but we are talking about 2018. This isn’t BOAC vs Dan Air. Very difficult for some to accept loco don’t pay that badly in 2018. No one pays what they were paying in 1975 in buying power, people might need to accept that and get over it.
Approx 5 passed the interview for BA from CX.
China Southern are offering a commuting contract 23 on 7 off. If you want to talk fatiguing, great money though.
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Loco means lower pay but quicker upgrade. If young you're better off in a legacy airline as you will have more years in the left seat on captains pay to break even and then get ahead vs an earlier upgrade but lower left seat pay in a loco.
For an older joiner, a loco will be a better bet because of the limited number of captain years he will do in a legacy after waiting 15 years for an upgrade.
For an older joiner, a loco will be a better bet because of the limited number of captain years he will do in a legacy after waiting 15 years for an upgrade.
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And where are you living MC? The Swire coke bottling factory?
As for career earnings, there is more to a career than money. Quality of life is obtained within a proper seniority system with roster bidding, proper work rules (RPs), fleet transfers, trip drop and pickup, etc. CX has none of that and probably will never have it because the clowns running things don’t have the capability or the knowledge required to get it done.
As for career earnings, there is more to a career than money. Quality of life is obtained within a proper seniority system with roster bidding, proper work rules (RPs), fleet transfers, trip drop and pickup, etc. CX has none of that and probably will never have it because the clowns running things don’t have the capability or the knowledge required to get it done.
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Incorrect. Read my post in the other thread. Seniority has not been diluted. 75/25 is quite seniority honoring. You’ll see...
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Oh, only another $823,000,000 usd loss on fuel. Hmmm, obviously the pilots fault. Seriously, the numbers are like looking at some nations national deficit, not an airlines annual results !! And STILL the same management is in place. Only at CX would that be possible, as the Swire's won't 'fire' themselves, and meanwhile, the airline dies and the career hopes of it's staff. Well done RH. You should be proud. For the rest, get out while you can. CX is finished.
