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Old 16th Feb 2018, 22:53
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Well i just flew with 3 other crew and the MOST experienced ..the second in command..had never flown anything until 4 years ago! The other 2 had 18 months (FO) the second officer a month on the line....all hired straight off the street. NONE of them had hand flown any aircraft above 5000’
Good luck strapping in behind that lot. Technology had better take decision making and airmanship out of the equation soon because it will become a necessity.
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Old 17th Feb 2018, 01:43
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Landed from SYD a few days ago. Both of my crew going to Qantas. One of them was told by his interviewer that upwards of 100+ CX FO's have applied and/or interviewed, with more applications arriving by the week. Both VS and Jetstar are also making a big push for any Oz legal pilots. Bye bye CX, you have managed to become the training arm of our competitors. Another EPIC management own-goal.
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Old 17th Feb 2018, 02:48
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A very interesting thread on the AOA forum has been updated regarding resignation numbers, training replacements, and the costs thereof. They might have to revisit their ‘benchmarking’.
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Old 17th Feb 2018, 03:15
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Regarding pilots leaving for Qantas. I have heard from a good source that the number is well over a 100 and climbing each week. I predict that by the end of this year, there will be almost no Ozzies, Yanks or Europeans left at CX. The exodus is only just building up steam. It's always the majority of the iceberg just below the surface that results in the sinking of the ship. Stare down into the water AT, and you will see a looming mass that is about to send you to the bottom.
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Old 17th Feb 2018, 08:00
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I predict that by the end of this year, there will be almost no Ozzies left at CX
Every cloud..
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Old 17th Feb 2018, 09:57
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Extremely well said, ALL of the above.
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Old 17th Feb 2018, 11:08
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Regarding them ‘revisiting’ anything. You only do that you when you have integrity and intellectual honesty. When you are arrogant, myopic and blind....you continue on until the ship has run aground....with no chance of redemption. CX management as exists today.
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Old 18th Feb 2018, 11:44
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Meanwhile, over at the A330 fleet, multiple captains are accepting their A350 upgrades. Seemingly, its fine to support a training ban if its directed at new trainers, but not if its a new upgrade for the incumbents. Couldn't make it up could we !
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Old 18th Feb 2018, 17:18
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Krone what would you have them do? Not turn up on their first day of 350 ground school. It's on the roster, not a voluntary decision
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Old 18th Feb 2018, 18:35
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How long have they been promising bases? 10 years?
I recently had to listen to some ridiculous about the computer based rostering system being designed to generate more days off ! In the same breath they’re trying to impose 92 hours a month .. up from 84 and 1000 flight hours.
Really? Why waste your breath? The long history of deceit here speaks for itself.
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Old 18th Feb 2018, 22:19
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That unfortunately is the cancer at the 'dark' heart of this airline: an immoral and venal management. There is no 'leader' at CX. Only greed and avarice. It is bringing the airline down, and those who work for her. The smart ones are diligently planning their exit.
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Old 19th Feb 2018, 06:20
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Cathay has never experienced anything more than a trickle of resignations so if it's true that pilots are leaving in hundreds its new ground for our Managers to deal with. They can't fly the aircraft themselves ( far too clever for that) and Tyler always used to threaten wet leasing but, if the flight deck seats cannot be filled, the new shiny jets will be parked and the Press will get hold of it. Then the shareholders. Pull up a chair - this could be fun......
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Old 19th Feb 2018, 07:01
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if it's true that pilots are leaving in hundreds
Well if you believe Trafs (many) stories, it sounds more like a thousand are leaving.
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Old 19th Feb 2018, 10:21
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Krone, I assume you turned up for your last recurrent TRAINING sim?
Where do we draw the line dude?
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Old 19th Feb 2018, 10:35
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betpump. Ultimately I think that in actual fact there WILL be thousands leaving, and the process is just now gathering steam. The rest of the world is desperate for pilots, and CX management seem to the be the only ones who don't get it. And it's not all about the "money" (joke), and especially not about their obsession with seeing us caring about the "shiny jet syndrome". It's about being back home, having a life, fresh air, a place to raise and support a family while not living in a shoe box. CX provides NO answer to any of that, and AT came out last week and basically said they feel they are offering a GREAT package (you can't make that up!). So, over the next few years, I do believe that the numbers will break 1000, and a lot sooner than anyone, especially our brilliant management, think.
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Old 19th Feb 2018, 10:37
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Originally Posted by Farman Biplane View Post
Krone, I assume you turned up for your last recurrent TRAINING sim?
Yes I did. But you are missing the point . The recurrent is not a promotion for me.
A pilot moving "up" from A330 to A350 is . I'm not one of the many lambasting those who want to go to training, but then taking advantage of those who are going to train me onto the A350. And readily accepting it, with open arms.
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Old 19th Feb 2018, 10:53
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I think you are missing the point. When we were on the 400 the 800 arrived and we were rostered IPT and sims to fly it. We became dual qualified. It was not a promotion.

The 350, according to our Lords and Masters, is just a modern 330. In the same way, we get rostered to fly it. It is not a choice. This is not a promotion but a slow migration to the 350 as the 330 is on its way out.

Do you really think we can sit around and not fly the 350? Don’t be an idiot!
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Old 19th Feb 2018, 15:30
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Krone at some point in your career a new type or variant will arrive, if you are on the 777 then that will be the 777X. Cant wait to hear about the 1 guy who doesn't show up for IPT and sim sessions
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Old 19th Feb 2018, 17:47
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Hi Guys,

I have been reading this topic, though Im not a CX pilot.
I have around 1000h of sep, and applied as SO. To be honest, not sure if I will be intending the interview, not because I have read comments here or there, just because being a cruise pilot is not so interesting for me. I want to touch the controls, take off and land., and I am willing to fly CS23 for example, to get some unforgetable experience before flying long haul.

anyway, I saw that some of you stated that hundreds of CX pilots would leave. But one question came through my mind : where are they going to ?! a better airline ?
Im not saying that CX is the best, but still is a major airline, so why not ending the career there ?

With a heavy jet experience, where those pilots wish to go ? corporate ?

That's a real question and as I haven't start a career in public transport, I am quite surprised to read this.

Thank guys for your answers, and wish you all the best.

english 2nd language.
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Old 19th Feb 2018, 18:09
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Stoneangel. A fair question that you ask. It is hard to understand the depth of frustration, misery and utter hopeless despair that most pilots at CX feel. Years of outright abuse, deceit and intimidation have convinced most of us that we are better off nearly anywhere else. It would be hard enough to live in HK with a caring, thoughtful employer. With the management we have at CX, it becomes a futile and miserable experience. I know from your perspective you may find it hard to understand why we feel this way, but please know that if you choose to come here, you will quickly understand everything I have just told you. Save yourself (and family if you have) the misery and find a better opportunity nearer to your home. The days of CX being an airline of choice are long gone. There is nothing here for anyone.
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