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Wizzzzz Air coming to town..for all ranks.

Old 22nd Jan 2018, 13:26
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Bubble ?

Originally Posted by McNulty View Post
Many of the most vocal on here have been living in a bubble in Hong Kong far detached from the realities of European lcc's.... As a result have no clue what they're talking about on this particular topic.
Living in a bubble, really..
In my view, CX management have been trying to force LCC conditions of service on CX crew for 24 years now and, rightfully in my mind, CX crew have been pushing back against this management mentality..

Perhaps those working under LCC cos should grow some stones, dig their heels in and do what CX crew have been doing/saying for 24 years now and fight for the entire profession which is under fire.

If you are happy bending over and accepting Uber driver cos, don't throw stones at those who are actively fighting back to maintain what was once regarded as the norm in mainline airline cos..
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Old 22nd Jan 2018, 13:46
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Originally Posted by bringbackthe80s View Post
Exactly what he said. Man it would be interesting to see ANY cx pilot getting a feel of wizzair!
Ex-CX American pilots on domestic fleets in the US are loving life. A320, B737, MD80 pilots find the flying very easy, even the redeyes, compared to CX. Those at FedEx and UPS are similarly content flying domestically. Those flying long haul are at least on a decent contract in which their seniority is respected wrt rosters.

How far away from “bidding” anything here at CX? Years, and for those that think they will get what they “bid” for, think again... The productivity tolerances will be set so tight that very few, even senior pilots, will be getting many of their requests fulfilled. You see, productivity is the main objective; and when you set the tolerances tight enough, there are very few “productive” solutions. Hence, your “bids” get disregarded. Just wait and see...
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Old 22nd Jan 2018, 14:58
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Originally Posted by Flex88 View Post
Perhaps those working under LCC cos should grow some stones, dig their heels in and do what CX crew have been doing/saying for 24 years now and fight for the entire profession which is under fire.

If you are happy bending over and accepting Uber driver cos, don't throw stones at those who are actively fighting back to maintain what was once regarded as the norm in mainline airline
The only thing I've seen a CX pilot fight for was the color of his tumbler.
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Old 22nd Jan 2018, 14:59
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Originally Posted by Trafalgar View Post
But you get to live at home and get away from this crap. Win.

Trafalgar have you thought about the fact that getting a pilot´s license in Europe costs around 80000 to 100000 Euros?
I do understand that the loss of the housing allowance and the reduced salary is very disappointing but I think you`re overdoing it a bit.
Saying that a low-cost airline is better than Cathay Pacific is just really questionable.
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Old 22nd Jan 2018, 16:20
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Ok then

In that case, sign up to CX, get married in the most expensive city in the world, have a couple of children and enjoy raising them in a 2 bedroom high-rise apartment that you can never possibly afford to purchase, pray that none of your family ever suffers a critical illness or has ongoing major dental issues and work for a company that is patently active in trying to change the current cos to that of a EU LCC like that of which you mention.

You can then enjoy going ever so slowly broke over your nice long 20+ year carer at CX.. Sounds great yes ?

And all of this with what is undeniably the worst staff travel benefit of any semi-major airline in the world including their "advertised" Free of Charge (FOC) tickets (read "scam") which are literally unusable and mostly un-bookable (as they will tell you)..

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Old 23rd Jan 2018, 00:54
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Im enjoying the staff travel. I enjoy my long haul business class perks , and Im even suppose to be treated like a real Passenger now. So thy say.

As stated before, Wizz are not here to poach CX (or even Ka. )

Not many CX A320 rated guys, so you pay to fly in LCC land.
I’d love to see the look on the face of a 20 year Cx B777 skipper when he’s presented with a €30000 bill for his 320 course .
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Old 23rd Jan 2018, 01:09
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Flex88

You should consider yourself lucky CX even give you private healthcare coverage for your whole family. If you were back in your home country you would be forced to deal with the public health system and extensive waiting lists or fork out $$ for your own private health insurance plan.
You don't realise how good you have it sometimes. I suggest you apply to Wizz or any other LCC and go experience what a true LCC is like.
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Old 23rd Jan 2018, 01:29
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enoughisenough

The Dragonair pilot union advised its members to take out their own additional health cover due gaps in what is being provided. There were some sorry stories and fundraisers for members not properly covered and reliant on company health care. I'm no sure of the details, but the company may provide additional care for critical illness on a case by case basis.

So, my point being, I'm paying another $5000 USD per year to provide my family with sound health cover. Insurance top-ups close to that again. This extra cover to protect my family is way in excess of what I would pay back home.

New generation pilots don't seem to be taking up the union advice due the expense. So history will repeat itself and many will expose their families to financial hardship and a gamble on health care.
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Old 23rd Jan 2018, 02:49
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It gets wearisome dealing with people like 'enoughisenough'. They sit there at the other side of the world with ignorant and envious eyes gazing on companies like CX, without the slightest iota of understanding about the real situation here. I've worked at both LCC's and the 'old' CX, so I DO know the difference. The 'new' CX is closer to a LCC than it's old and revered shell. Enoughisenough, when you have the knowledge and experience to possess an opinion that is anything more than the current state of ignorance you display, come on over. Until then, all you are doing is proving the old adage; "better to keep your mouth shut and let them think you are an idiot than open it and remove all doubt".
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Old 23rd Jan 2018, 03:08
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You are the ignorant one for thinking the grass is greener outside of CX without an understanding of the state of the whole industry. Go on and leave then, join an LCC. You'll soon regret it.
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Old 23rd Jan 2018, 03:45
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And you know what is wearisome? You guys rant day in, day out on an anonymous forum about how poorly treated you are by CX and how terrible the rosters are, how terrible living in Hong Kong is, how unaffordable it is, how detrimental it is to your health and wellbeing and yet you continue to work there and you also take no meaningful action to improve your conditions apart from venting your anger on here which is fruitless. If you don't like it leave, or put forward a motion for industrial escalation.
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Old 23rd Jan 2018, 04:15
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This.

If it is so utterly horrendous then, for the sake of your mental and physical health, LEAVE.
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Old 23rd Jan 2018, 04:19
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Originally Posted by Cpt. Underpants View Post
10 hour days?
Pfft. Easy. We frequently do 2 man, 13 hour days. Tropics to sub arctic and back to typhoon conditions and sub-par ATC, congestion all the way.
Wow! You only work 7 days a month?
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Old 23rd Jan 2018, 04:49
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Your asses would turn to butter flying in the states.

A typhoon? Really? Tops not above 30k?
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Old 23rd Jan 2018, 05:14
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Average Fool...

You do know that a Typhoon is a Hurricane, right?

Doesn’t the entire news media in the USA wet their pants whenever one emerges in the Atlantic? Don’t they still talk about Katrina...you know, the storm that occured 12 years ago?

Well, typhoons (hurricanes...for those that don’t know...like Average Fool) are a common Summer threat in south east Asia....with more than a dozen or so every summer. A hurricane’s “average” cloud tops might be around 30,000 feet, but what does that have to do with it’s 150mph surface winds, torrential rain bands, and associated storm surges that occur at or near the airport during a landing or take off?

Oh...and no amount of turbulence “ride reports” from pilots like Average Fool will help you when faced with the common task of landing near one, every summer, in Southeast Asia.
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Old 23rd Jan 2018, 06:08
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Originally Posted by cxorcist View Post
Ex-CX American pilots on domestic fleets in the US are loving life. A320, B737, MD80 pilots find the flying very easy, even the redeyes, compared to CX. Those at FedEx and UPS are similarly content flying domestically.
Yes, this is true, US major airlines have some great conditions. But European LCC flying is another world. Just for starters, an A320 captain at Delta with 12 years of service would be grossing around 30% more than a UK based LCC captain.
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Old 23rd Jan 2018, 10:38
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Sounds like it's not worth it anymore..

Reading this thread just makes me glad that I got out of commercial Aviation while I did...a long time ago before it had a chance to consume too much of my & my Family's life.

These days I get to make a nice living teaching the theory, whilst enjoying a standard of living that I desire outside of work. Home every afternoon by 4.30 and able to walk the Kids home from School.

It sounds to me that the industry has now got to the point that there's no jobs worth changing this for.
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