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You say " financial costs etc involved for pilots to leave". That is the fatal conceit of our management. They have so devalued the average career of a pilot in CX, that most no longer have much of a financial "benefit" in staying. It certainly was the case 20+ years ago, but with the insidious effect of B/C/D/E scale (and F/G/H...to come), and the added effect of knowing you have no chance of ever overcoming the effect of HK housing costs (and food/schooling/health etc), has left nearly all pilots in the airline realising that the only sensible career choice is to establish themselves on a seniority list back in their home countries. CX has LCC'd themselves into oblivion, which the ever increasing rates of resignations, combined with ever more scarce new hires will drive the final nails into the coffin of this airline. Well done CX management. Here's to your bonuses (and to hell with the long-term and loyal employees and their families who you have effectively destroyed).
You say " financial costs etc involved for pilots to leave". That is the fatal conceit of our management. They have so devalued the average career of a pilot in CX, that most no longer have much of a financial "benefit" in staying. It certainly was the case 20+ years ago, but with the insidious effect of B/C/D/E scale (and F/G/H...to come), and the added effect of knowing you have no chance of ever overcoming the effect of HK housing costs (and food/schooling/health etc), has left nearly all pilots in the airline realising that the only sensible career choice is to establish themselves on a seniority list back in their home countries. CX has LCC'd themselves into oblivion, which the ever increasing rates of resignations, combined with ever more scarce new hires will drive the final nails into the coffin of this airline. Well done CX management. Here's to your bonuses (and to hell with the long-term and loyal employees and their families who you have effectively destroyed).
Two ex CEO's have told me to my face that AT is way out of her depth and that they were surprised with the appointment. Both long gone and no axes to grind. Which begs the leading questions...why was she appointed?; and; who appointed her? I'll have a stab...and it starts in Singapore.
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Trafalgar, I dont doubt for one second your management are complete bunch of tools. I have noticed a lot of you have warned young guys not to join because of the problems CX has but they will not listen.
I get annoyed when they complain after being told how bad things are. However my point was pilots at CX need to bail in massive numbers, like 150 - 200 a month to make a statement and bring SWire to its knees but nobody will do it.
It would be good to see all the captains leave as that would hurt but I also understand a guy who is 60 thinking Im done soon anyway.
However guys who are 45 and younger have no excuse. They need to bail and bring CX to its knees. The current management would probably be fired if that happened anyway.
Until the pilot group take a real stand and do what is right by a massive continuous strike or resign in large numbers then nothing will change.
There are too many whingers there but non of them are prepared to become the sacrificial lamb.
I get annoyed when they complain after being told how bad things are. However my point was pilots at CX need to bail in massive numbers, like 150 - 200 a month to make a statement and bring SWire to its knees but nobody will do it.
It would be good to see all the captains leave as that would hurt but I also understand a guy who is 60 thinking Im done soon anyway.
However guys who are 45 and younger have no excuse. They need to bail and bring CX to its knees. The current management would probably be fired if that happened anyway.
Until the pilot group take a real stand and do what is right by a massive continuous strike or resign in large numbers then nothing will change.
There are too many whingers there but non of them are prepared to become the sacrificial lamb.
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after years and years, back and forth with management, did you noticed the staff who toils and sweats will never win.
you can whinge and cry and abuse and even sabotage as much as you want. but at the end of the day, you will never win. good or bad, right or wrong, management will always show its pride and glory, no matter how much they &^%$ up.
u need to wake up; AT wont die. she is protected in all ways. look at the ex high flyers. all are now gone or dead, but AT is still here running the show and still going strong.
its time to either stop sulking and suck it up, and get on with the job or if you have the balls, get a real job where the pastures are greener on the other paddock. Its really boring to listen to daily sulkings where really you are getting no where.
you can whinge and cry and abuse and even sabotage as much as you want. but at the end of the day, you will never win. good or bad, right or wrong, management will always show its pride and glory, no matter how much they &^%$ up.
u need to wake up; AT wont die. she is protected in all ways. look at the ex high flyers. all are now gone or dead, but AT is still here running the show and still going strong.
its time to either stop sulking and suck it up, and get on with the job or if you have the balls, get a real job where the pastures are greener on the other paddock. Its really boring to listen to daily sulkings where really you are getting no where.
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Two ex CEO's have told me to my face that AT is way out of her depth and that they were surprised with the appointment. Both long gone and no axes to grind. Which begs the leading questions...why was she appointed?; and; who appointed her? I'll have a stab...and it starts in Singapore.
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Mr Luggage,
Whilst I agree with your root argument; that until pilots start leaving in large enough numbers to affect the bottom line, nothing will change, it is naive and unrealistic to expect them to do so out of spite and vindictiveness. People change employers for a better offer (which can be in the form of an increase in financial package and/or improved lifestyle, increased job satisfaction etc.). If the secondary effect of leaving the company disrupts the operations when the employer was being a greedy, lying, unreasonable ****, then that’s a nice little bonus for leaver’s and stayer’s alike.
Until resignations do increase to significant amounts (and, I think your analysis of 150-200/month being the required number is a bit over the top), we can only infer that there are insufficient offers around that are enticing to CX pilots. This is especially the case for the captains. Some of the posts on here suggest there could be a mass exodus shortly, and as someone pointed out there is usually a large lag time between applications & interviews being completed, and start dates & resignations being handed in. 6-9 months should cover that, meaning if you’re reading this come mid-September and it hasn’t happened, it may never happen.
Whilst I agree with your root argument; that until pilots start leaving in large enough numbers to affect the bottom line, nothing will change, it is naive and unrealistic to expect them to do so out of spite and vindictiveness. People change employers for a better offer (which can be in the form of an increase in financial package and/or improved lifestyle, increased job satisfaction etc.). If the secondary effect of leaving the company disrupts the operations when the employer was being a greedy, lying, unreasonable ****, then that’s a nice little bonus for leaver’s and stayer’s alike.
Until resignations do increase to significant amounts (and, I think your analysis of 150-200/month being the required number is a bit over the top), we can only infer that there are insufficient offers around that are enticing to CX pilots. This is especially the case for the captains. Some of the posts on here suggest there could be a mass exodus shortly, and as someone pointed out there is usually a large lag time between applications & interviews being completed, and start dates & resignations being handed in. 6-9 months should cover that, meaning if you’re reading this come mid-September and it hasn’t happened, it may never happen.
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Another factor coming into play is that now that many of our colleagues have moved on, they encourage their remaining colleagues in CX to do the same. The FO on my flight this past weekend was a case in point. His close friend has been at his new carrier in Europe for the past 4 months. He has now interviewed based on his friends recommendation and he is awaiting a course date. No one wants to get left behind on a modern day version of the Titanic.
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Just caught up with this topic and am simply astonished that she can open the proceedings with the following:
DFO Update
“We have been looking forward to sharing the results of the Employee Engagement Survey for both FOP Ground Staff and Cockpit Crew”
Just complete and utter bolleau, whilst acknowledging a 29% engagement of relevant employees (to this thread). When the truth is they would far rather endure the less embarrassing walk over hot coals or heated needles in the eyes.
I suppose the real question is why on earth I am even surprised let alone astonished.
DFO Update
“We have been looking forward to sharing the results of the Employee Engagement Survey for both FOP Ground Staff and Cockpit Crew”
Just complete and utter bolleau, whilst acknowledging a 29% engagement of relevant employees (to this thread). When the truth is they would far rather endure the less embarrassing walk over hot coals or heated needles in the eyes.
I suppose the real question is why on earth I am even surprised let alone astonished.
