CX, KA or... HKA?
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Thank you Mole.
Frustrating how requirement always change. Now that I have found a job elsewhere, the DESO requirements of CX have slightly been modified and I actually qualify for the position.
Within the next 12 months, I believe I will acquire the required experience to qualify for DEFO at HKA and CX, and if I can get the ATPL sign off at the next LPC, KA as well.
Any one know how flexible KA are in regards to having the ATPL and not just CPL with ATPL credits?
I do appreciate the time you have all taken to provide assistance.
Frustrating how requirement always change. Now that I have found a job elsewhere, the DESO requirements of CX have slightly been modified and I actually qualify for the position.
Within the next 12 months, I believe I will acquire the required experience to qualify for DEFO at HKA and CX, and if I can get the ATPL sign off at the next LPC, KA as well.
Any one know how flexible KA are in regards to having the ATPL and not just CPL with ATPL credits?
I do appreciate the time you have all taken to provide assistance.
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I would be very interested to hear from someone who has jumped from CX/KA to HKA, knowing what you know now, would you still make the jump?
Feel free to send a private message if you prefer.
Cheers.
Feel free to send a private message if you prefer.
Cheers.
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CX and KA have always had an unwritten non-poaching agreement. Merging of the two pilot groups had been a long term goal by senior management but recently abandoned as career opportunities and pay scales diverged.
CX to HKA is a reality. Many local CX pilots see their future with this growing local giant whereas CX continues to slide down the world rankings and careers are scarificed for share price short term gains.
The future is HKA.
CX and KA have always had an unwritten non-poaching agreement. Merging of the two pilot groups had been a long term goal by senior management but recently abandoned as career opportunities and pay scales diverged.
CX to HKA is a reality. Many local CX pilots see their future with this growing local giant whereas CX continues to slide down the world rankings and careers are scarificed for share price short term gains.
The future is HKA.
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clc is correct. For locals HKA is the future. A fair number have already jumped from CX and KA to go there. The career opportunities to go into training and/or management are better. The money is not quite so good there but that is rapidly converging. If HKA would increase their package a bit more then they could cause real damage to the cpg. The locals I fly with have it worked out to the cent when it will be worth their while jumping.
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New relax, HKA now open for S/O with total 1500+ P2X hours plus current rated on A330/350 offer direct F/O position! Seems to target the Green's boys/gals. Also, HKA will give joining bonus after check out....
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With unlimited financial backing HKA could strike a fatal blow to CX by upping their overall pilot package by say 10%. This would attract the disgruntled local CX guys ( and gals ) in their hundreds. This with the prospect of an early command MUST be attractive to our colleagues who call HKG their home and want/can remain here.
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With unlimited financial backing HKA could strike a fatal blow to CX by upping their overall pilot package by say 10%. This would attract the disgruntled local CX guys ( and gals ) in their hundreds. This with the prospect of an early command MUST be attractive to our colleagues who call HKG their home and want/can remain here.
Not really true. They make a fair bit of money by leasing aircraft and supplying parts to the mainland HNA group airlines to get around the CAAC central ordering.
That has not been going well over the past few months,
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN1DZ33G
Over a dozen FOs have left HKA for KA in the past 6 months.
That has not been going well over the past few months,
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN1DZ33G
Over a dozen FOs have left HKA for KA in the past 6 months.
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But in any case one should carefully evaluate what one is getting into. Actually talk to folks there and see how things are trending. There's no lack of sage advice.
As the old proverb goes:
There once was a hooker named Su
Who filled up her xxxxxx with glue
She said with a grin
If they pay to get in
They'll pay more to get out again too
Careful not to get 'stuck' wondering how you got there and what to do next.
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And why wouldn’t they? They’re not going to pass the KA (shuttle) command course. At least the KA expat TCs are protecting the safety standards there. Can’t say the same for CX. Another capitulation by another weak group!
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Guys, I did all the possible research myself but I am here to also ask a realistic view with some numbers from people with years of experience in hong kong.
I understand there is resentment and disillusion with many here, but I am just a colleague who is trying his best to take a good decision for his family, like everybody else.
So here it goes.
IF one gets hired as DEC by HKA, a realistic salary after training would be about 121700 HKD net (maybe a bit more on the 330, but just to be conservative).
As someone married, planning to have kids in the future, here is the expenses calculation I come up with:
37400 HKD for rental per month for a nice enough apartment, maybe discovery bay
14000 HKD a month to put in a private pension
9300 HKD per month per kid for private school
this leaves about 61000 HKD per month for living expenses and other insurances. Plus obviously some savings.
I am just looking to understand if I am missing something here. I understand the conditions are way behind what they used to be, and I am not here to defend any airline. Just looking for realistic numbers based advice from experienced colleagues. I know this has been answered many times, but as it is a super dynamic enviroment, I would like updated info.
Thank you for your help.
I understand there is resentment and disillusion with many here, but I am just a colleague who is trying his best to take a good decision for his family, like everybody else.
So here it goes.
IF one gets hired as DEC by HKA, a realistic salary after training would be about 121700 HKD net (maybe a bit more on the 330, but just to be conservative).
As someone married, planning to have kids in the future, here is the expenses calculation I come up with:
37400 HKD for rental per month for a nice enough apartment, maybe discovery bay
14000 HKD a month to put in a private pension
9300 HKD per month per kid for private school
this leaves about 61000 HKD per month for living expenses and other insurances. Plus obviously some savings.
I am just looking to understand if I am missing something here. I understand the conditions are way behind what they used to be, and I am not here to defend any airline. Just looking for realistic numbers based advice from experienced colleagues. I know this has been answered many times, but as it is a super dynamic enviroment, I would like updated info.
Thank you for your help.
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Any chance those at CX, KA and HKA could post some figures for direct comparison?
Year 1 FO pay (specify if net)
Year 1 CPT pay (specify if net)
Dare I ask... What the perks are on offer, ie staff travel and its limitation (Only ID economy etc etc)
A quick message to thank you all for contributing to this thread be it with a reply here or with the private messages you have sent me. All the information is helping me make a decision for when the time comes to apply.
Sadly, due to my age, it is looking like CX will have to be my backup option should all else fail.
Year 1 FO pay (specify if net)
Year 1 CPT pay (specify if net)
Dare I ask... What the perks are on offer, ie staff travel and its limitation (Only ID economy etc etc)
A quick message to thank you all for contributing to this thread be it with a reply here or with the private messages you have sent me. All the information is helping me make a decision for when the time comes to apply.
Sadly, due to my age, it is looking like CX will have to be my backup option should all else fail.
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