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Old 15th Dec 2017, 09:39
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Old 15th Dec 2017, 23:29
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Park the jets. It's flu season. If you are walking into dispatch to go to work, what you are really doing is cutting the throat of your own career.
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Old 18th Dec 2017, 15:57
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For those Australians who are looking for other options:

ExpressJet Airlines » Australian E-3 Visa Pilots
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Old 18th Dec 2017, 17:21
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^^^

Now that's ironic!
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Old 18th Dec 2017, 21:43
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It sure is. Austronauts undercutting the chance for a living wage in the US regional industry. Wonder how Trump would feel about that if he knew.
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Old 18th Dec 2017, 21:46
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I vividly remember a large number of North American flocking to AUS during a certain major industrial dispute during a certain year. The wheel goes round.
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Old 18th Dec 2017, 22:13
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News to me. Which NAM countries? I seem to remember the military getting heavily involved.
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Old 18th Dec 2017, 22:44
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They are not 'undercutting' anything. The only reason this program exists is because the regional airlines cannot find enough pilots (the majors are taking them all). Further, from the regional you can move to the major after 3 years. Most offer guaranteed movement to AA,UA or DL.
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Old 18th Dec 2017, 23:03
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The irony is that many years ago there were many XJT pilots trying to get on with CX.
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Old 18th Dec 2017, 23:21
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That is ironic. Anyway, this is a quick way to get a green card and eventually end up with a US major.
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Old 18th Dec 2017, 23:42
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The problem with that route is by the time you get into one of the majors the wheel will have probably turned 180 and you will be a prime furlough candidate
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Old 19th Dec 2017, 00:20
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cxorcist.....

A Certain NAM Country that has an Airline that uses the Callsign CACTUS had several aircraft flying in Australia during that time.
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Old 19th Dec 2017, 00:52
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Considering the amount of retirements to come in the next few years in the US airlines, I don't believe anyone has much to worry about regarding layoffs. Further, unlike CX, the US majors have 'cracked the code' on how to mint profit (eg: DL, over $1B usd in ONE quarter). The US companies have the gold standard when it comes to pilot jobs as it pertains to pay, benefits, commuting policies, retirements. Or, you could stay at CX and enjoy none of those things.
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Old 19th Dec 2017, 02:07
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From Econ 101...

There are two simple ways to suppress wages.

1) Reduce demand for labor.

2) Increase supply of available laborers.

Which do you think is going on here?
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Yammer has gone quiet and even PPrune is less active this last week, why ? My guess is that reality has hit home. Spouses have got over the shock and most pilots are now updating their cv's, tidying up their logbooks and brushing up on their interview technique.
The good news is that CX pilots are well respected throughout the industry ( except in CX of course ). Airline recruiters know the high standards we have maintained despite the constant attacks from management over the last 20 years and they admire our resilience, professionalism and oddly our loyalty ( now gone ). Theses traits are still valued in most airlines and that is why many will offer a job almost on the spot to any CX pilots who does a half good sim check ride with them.
Do not be afraid at interview to say exactly why you left. Responsible airlines want to know how to avoid their own demise and what mistakes other airlines made to cause their downfall. Unfortunately, most interviews only last 20-30 minutes so you will not have time to describe all of CX/Swire's failings. New employers applaud honesty and in this business the failings of Swire/CX is well known.

Good luck to all and happy landings in your next career.
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Old 19th Dec 2017, 04:27
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Originally Posted by faheel
The problem with that route is by the time you get into one of the majors the wheel will have probably turned 180 and you will be a prime furlough candidate
If the Majors didnt add one new airplane. Collectively they would still need to add 2500-3000 pilots a year to cover retirement. I am probably under stating the number. This is just considering the big 4 airlines for the next couple of years. After that it gets better. Dont snub your nose at flying the small jets. I have witness several folks take a step backwards to only leap ahead after two years.
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Old 19th Dec 2017, 04:32
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Are you smoking crack. You never poor your heart out and bitch about your former employer. No operator wants to hear that. You simply state that Cathay is not a career airline anylonger. No need to elaborate.
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Old 19th Dec 2017, 04:52
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Professional interview prep will guide you on what to say and what NOT to say.

A small price for good advise.

That CX arrogance that’s crept in will kill your chances.
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Agreed: never denigrate your previous/present employer in an interview. Simply state that you have decided that you feel the opportunities provided by the employer you are interviewing with are greater, and you would like to contribute to their continued success.
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Old 19th Dec 2017, 16:24
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Originally Posted by checklistcomplete
Do not be afraid at interview to say exactly why you left. Responsible airlines want to know how to avoid their own demise and what mistakes other airlines made to cause their downfall. Unfortunately, most interviews only last 20-30 minutes so you will not have time to describe all of CX/Swire's failings. New employers applaud honesty and in this business the failings of Swire/CX is well known.
Worst advice ever. Speak foul of your previous employer and you'll be the problem, not them. Cathay pilots have had an incredible good run, and if the money is no longer worth the suffering then so be it. But do not bemoan the nature of the beast that's been filling your coffers for the past decade or two. You knew, and they know, the deal that you signed.
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