Yammer, then HAMMER !
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Just saw on the "Telegraph Travel Awards" (Telegraph newspaper, London) that CX was voted the 9th (!) best long haul. I remember a time when it was vying for 1st and 2nd each year. Another sign of the failure of our management.
- Qantas management way smarter than your guys, they took a world renowned brand, trash talked it themselves.
- Grounded a 'terminal airline'
- Poured air frames into JQ with a very elastic demand (no yield potential)
- Wrote off long haul fleet-saved depreciation
- Got lucky with fuel price!
- business profitable again
- Made themselves millions with CEO Mr Joyce the most remunerated CEO in Australia..
- All this on the same contracts, with the same fleet as when it was a' terminal airline'
- Goes through Dubai, abandons it and returns to Singapore.
- Got one, no two 787 with LN 615!
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350 by IKEA..water egress from front valley to biz by Rutland Blackwater and toilets by portaloo...you couldn't make this up..and who's head rolled..?nope..you guessed..not a single guillotine in sight.
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Traf is right. Our management will stay in their 9th floor 'shelter' and ride this out. Only action against the operation will get their attention. All the best wordsmiths in the world won't make a dent in their attitude or convictions, UNLESS they are forced to reckon with a collapsing operation. It's up to each one of us to make sure they are confronting such a thing. Holidays are coming.
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As I suspected, the initial fire lit under Yammer is now starting to fade. In response to the eloquent and heartfelt (and entirely justified) comments that so many posted, the management has responded with.....exactly nothing.
The Swire strategy has been to ride out the storm, and now the storm is subsiding. They will think they are now safe to come out of their cubicles and resume the tear-down of the pilots lifestyles, pay and benefits.
The ONLY way the words of our indignation and righteous anger will have any meaning if is they are backed up by ACTION. I, and most of those colleagues I have personally spoken with are committed to taking such action. I remind every pilot in this airline that we all have the same goal, and all stand to lose if this management is allowed to continue as before.
We are now into the crucial holiday season. Our management is hoping to bluff us out until they are past CNY, then there will be no stopping them. The time is now to make your value count. Take responsibility for your own long term best interests, and those of your colleagues. Without a change of direction in this airline, there will be no career worth having at CX. We all know that now.
Never forget last weeks lesson as to what our management really thinks of us, and conduct yourselves accordingly.
The Swire strategy has been to ride out the storm, and now the storm is subsiding. They will think they are now safe to come out of their cubicles and resume the tear-down of the pilots lifestyles, pay and benefits.
The ONLY way the words of our indignation and righteous anger will have any meaning if is they are backed up by ACTION. I, and most of those colleagues I have personally spoken with are committed to taking such action. I remind every pilot in this airline that we all have the same goal, and all stand to lose if this management is allowed to continue as before.
We are now into the crucial holiday season. Our management is hoping to bluff us out until they are past CNY, then there will be no stopping them. The time is now to make your value count. Take responsibility for your own long term best interests, and those of your colleagues. Without a change of direction in this airline, there will be no career worth having at CX. We all know that now.
Never forget last weeks lesson as to what our management really thinks of us, and conduct yourselves accordingly.
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Hoping everyone is aware that they have guaranteed more pain to come (and soon) by their complete dereliction towards an appropriate response to our managements insult and mistreatment. I guess there is no fixing 'stupid'.
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Stupid is forgivable and not inherently the problem in most cases. It’s cowardice that I have a problem with. Yes, you know who you are, over 90% of those reading this. Just know how disgusting your braver CX colleagues find you. You should be wondering every time you step into the cockpit.
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You mean the ones standing at dispatch right now diligently checking their paperwork, knowing our office wallahs are about to arrive to continue putting together their plans to cut our pay and benefits. What more be said.
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Traf,
I understand your frustration. It is shared by many but most I speak to are foolishly waiting for some kind of leadership from the AOA. I am sick and tired of telling them this will never happen but most have no idea about industrial action/strikes/work to contract schemes. Unless the AOA comes up with an App these kids simply don't know what to do or how to do it. Pathetic.
They are not pilots. They are warm bodies that fill a regulatory requirement to sit in a seat for 8 hours at a time. CX Training could save a fortune by letting them do their renewals at home. They just login and sit for 8 hours looking out the window or eating. Simple.
I understand your frustration. It is shared by many but most I speak to are foolishly waiting for some kind of leadership from the AOA. I am sick and tired of telling them this will never happen but most have no idea about industrial action/strikes/work to contract schemes. Unless the AOA comes up with an App these kids simply don't know what to do or how to do it. Pathetic.
They are not pilots. They are warm bodies that fill a regulatory requirement to sit in a seat for 8 hours at a time. CX Training could save a fortune by letting them do their renewals at home. They just login and sit for 8 hours looking out the window or eating. Simple.
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CLC, thanks for your thoughts, of which I completely concur. You correctly highlight the problem: most are waiting for direction from the AOA. The pilots in this airline reflect a simple fact of human nature. Very few are 'leaders'. Most want to be led. Hence we see everyone looking around furtively hoping the gaze of guilt is not focused on them. Well, it's too late to hope someone else will do the leading for you. Either every pilot in this airline wakes up today and starts to agitate for the sake of their careers, or they won't have a career. There is no clearer choice. Let's see what the next few weeks bring.
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Traf , back in 99 when we had a clear mandate from the AOA, the majority of pilots , basically all the A scalers at the time, couldn’t find the courage to stand up and be counted . There were a number of very brave individuals that resisted in every way possible and 49 that the company wanted rid of suffered terribly .
As long as the majority are as weak as piss don’t hold your breath . They all want “you “ to take on management on your own , while they stay safely in the trenches. What they fail to realise is that unless you all go over the top of the trenches together the enemy will pick off the few brave enough to poke their heads up .
It’s not like you are risking your life , perhaps your job ,but If everyone stands as one, and refuses to go back to work until anyone who is fired is reinstated The problem is solved.
Sadly I am so disgusted with the people that I work with . It’s not a function of the AOA giving direction it’s the fact that most are too scared to do anything even if they did .
As you say expect further cuts to your career in the coming months
As long as the majority are as weak as piss don’t hold your breath . They all want “you “ to take on management on your own , while they stay safely in the trenches. What they fail to realise is that unless you all go over the top of the trenches together the enemy will pick off the few brave enough to poke their heads up .
It’s not like you are risking your life , perhaps your job ,but If everyone stands as one, and refuses to go back to work until anyone who is fired is reinstated The problem is solved.
Sadly I am so disgusted with the people that I work with . It’s not a function of the AOA giving direction it’s the fact that most are too scared to do anything even if they did .
As you say expect further cuts to your career in the coming months
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joblow. I can't take issue with what you say. It is a sad fact that somehow CX have managed to hire people woefully lacking in courage and character. I've been in and out of dispatch this past couple of weeks just observing. Everyone wearing their red lanyard, yet there they are, crewing the aircraft. Right upstairs, in the offices above, people are sitting in conference rooms daily, discussing strategy on how to erode the value of their careers. A more bizarre dichotomy I can not find. If the pilots of this airline are not willing to individually stand up for their futures (and all they have to do is call cc and say they are unfit...even for 3 days for pete's sake!), then how can they expect anything other than more of the same abuse from management. The final day of reckoning is approaching and they are heading towards the slaughter like sheep. Very sad indictment of our people. Wholly lacking in courage and character. If they don't wake up now, then never well.
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A further thought regarding ARAPA recipients. Considering what the management has been able to do to us over this end of year debacle, do you honestly think that letting them steamroll you like this, without ANY reaction from you individually, is going to protect your ARAPA past the end of the year? I seriously doubt it. In fact, I believe that the rather cowardly reaction from the majority has all but ensured cuts at every level of our package. You have proved to our management that they can do whatever they want. Congratulations. Enjoy your 'career'. If you weren't willing to even call in sick for a few days (particularly the Captains, who have been deliberately insulted and disrespected), what chance of you ever taking real industrial action. 
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No worries Pucka, all these problems will disappear when Haeco Americas begins to manufacture and install all the new AC interiors right ?
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With all this ranting here, I sometimes wonder does a pilot union actually exist in your company? If it does, what do you pay your subscription for? I thought when Swire announced they are planning to take away housing allowance, that would be the final straw! You will always have accountants running airlines - MOL, Walsh, Cruz constantly cutting back, if they don't save, they're not doing their job properly. But if we give an inch, they will take a mile! By the looks of things, cutting housing is certainly only the first of many things, before you know it, it will be safety, then followed by your pension and salary!
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In CX we don't really have a union. It likes to call itself one but government recognition is flimsy to say the least and strike action unlawful in HKG. So the union has no teeth at all. It is also manned by a president and general council who only see this as a stepping stone into CX management itself, much like the WW ascendancy in EI and then BA/IAG.
Generally they are junior pilots with little real experience but think they can outwit the best aviation consultants money can buy. Most CX pilots join the union out of ignorance or to tap into a loss of license scheme few could afford as an individual.
Called the HKAOA it is a joke but with monthly fees higher than most pilot unions in the world (to pay the professional secretary a handsome salary with housing allowance and to rent office space in Hong Kong, the dearest city on the planet). Most senior pilots are not members and the young kids joining now don't know what to do.
It is nothing like BALPA and never will be hence we are being trampled over by the company.
The flight attendants have an effective union called FAU. They have teeth. Maybe we should join them.
Thanks for your interest etops330
In CX we don't really have a union. It likes to call itself one but government recognition is flimsy to say the least and strike action unlawful in HKG. So the union has no teeth at all. It is also manned by a president and general council who only see this as a stepping stone into CX management itself, much like the WW ascendancy in EI and then BA/IAG.
Generally they are junior pilots with little real experience but think they can outwit the best aviation consultants money can buy. Most CX pilots join the union out of ignorance or to tap into a loss of license scheme few could afford as an individual.
Called the HKAOA it is a joke but with monthly fees higher than most pilot unions in the world (to pay the professional secretary a handsome salary with housing allowance and to rent office space in Hong Kong, the dearest city on the planet). Most senior pilots are not members and the young kids joining now don't know what to do.
It is nothing like BALPA and never will be hence we are being trampled over by the company.
The flight attendants have an effective union called FAU. They have teeth. Maybe we should join them.
Thanks for your interest etops330
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They own the Office, strikes are legal the problem is companies can dismiss you for no reason. A lot of other errors but I can't be bothered correcting them.
Thought you knew better!
They own the Office, strikes are legal the problem is companies can dismiss you for no reason. A lot of other errors but I can't be bothered correcting them.
Thought you knew better!
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No kidding CC. Not even close. Also, dues for the HKAOA are dirt cheap compared to most major airline unions. No CX pilots pay more than 1%, most far less, and the loss of license insurance is included. For some of the most junior pilots, the insurance costs are more than their dues.
Now I will admit that the HKAOA is fairly ineffective so you don’t get much for your money. There are times in the past that this hasn’t been the case, but right now there seems to be a real shortage of leadership.
Now I will admit that the HKAOA is fairly ineffective so you don’t get much for your money. There are times in the past that this hasn’t been the case, but right now there seems to be a real shortage of leadership.