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one of the previous posts mentioned it before but it is worth highlighting the CNY payment is part of the B COS but it is at the companies discretion for the pilots on the STD contract which account for about half of the KA pilots.
The company is not paying our (STD contract) D level employees their CNY or the ex gratia payment so half the KA pilots get nothing this year also.
It seems strange therefore to be attacking us on this issue.
lets keep the baby in the bath water
The company is not paying our (STD contract) D level employees their CNY or the ex gratia payment so half the KA pilots get nothing this year also.
It seems strange therefore to be attacking us on this issue.
lets keep the baby in the bath water
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Well, that's actually not true. The CNY is defined in "Part 1, Conditions of Service" of the standard contract and has no voluntary or ex-gratia clause attached to it. It is simply payable, that's it.
The flying staff manual is available on the DPA website. There also seems to be confusion on the FLPS (fixed leave period scheme) only applying to B scale by COS, whereas in reality the FLPS applies to all KA pilots but the amount of leave days one is entitled to is defined in the respective COS. In my case that is 42 and stays that way, on the B scale that climbs to an eventual 48 days.
I was referring to the fact that we don't get any ex-gratia payment by definition. Everything we get paid is contractual, whereas at CX there exists such a thing as a discretionary bonus.
The flying staff manual is available on the DPA website. There also seems to be confusion on the FLPS (fixed leave period scheme) only applying to B scale by COS, whereas in reality the FLPS applies to all KA pilots but the amount of leave days one is entitled to is defined in the respective COS. In my case that is 42 and stays that way, on the B scale that climbs to an eventual 48 days.
I was referring to the fact that we don't get any ex-gratia payment by definition. Everything we get paid is contractual, whereas at CX there exists such a thing as a discretionary bonus.
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Morning Coffee. Your attempts at sowing division and rancour are wearing a bit thin. You are a pathetic individual. Give it up, mainly because you are just not very good at it. You come across as a rather juvenile and somewhat stupid person. I suppose that's really all Swire is able to attract these days....
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Should any of you actually be bothered, ask your crew (if they’re commuting to Oz) how much harder it is since the beginning of the year when the changes came in. The changes the AOA said would be beneficial to CX Crew.
Or you can continue to side with your KA mates, and not give a f*ck.
Up to you.
Or you can continue to side with your KA mates, and not give a f*ck.
Up to you.
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KA crew are just like us, suffering same indignities at the hands of the same mean-spirited, petty, vindictive, arrogant, intimidatory, confrontational, dismissive and condescending management. They are brothers and sisters to us and will always get a JS from me.
Eyes on the ball.
Eyes on the ball.
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MorningCoffee. Day by day your attempts to divide the pilots become more pathetic and juvenile. It's the less senior pilots in this company that have figure you and your kind out, seeing you for the malignancy you are. Please feel free to keep coming back for another beating though. 
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MC - so if it is unfortunate that junior CX crew got screwed over - then the fault lies with CX management. Last time I checked, CX staff travel policy wasn't under the control of KA pilots. But top marks for trying to **** stir!
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MC,
What about the 3-4 dozen Phuket commuters that now ride ahead of 10 yr KA staff?
What about the PEN and KUL Senior Cabin Crew that go ahead of KA Staff?
Just because something isn't a win for you, doesn't mean it isn't a positive for other members of our team. We have a large percentage of Chinese staff.. guess what.. they go ahead of KA staff too.
At this point you must be Anna or a Director trying to stir the pot.
Anyone else see's the sense in this.
Imagine if KA started a service to Sydney.. doubt you'd be complaining about holding seniority there. Its not up to us who does what route.
We've seen that already.
What about the 3-4 dozen Phuket commuters that now ride ahead of 10 yr KA staff?
What about the PEN and KUL Senior Cabin Crew that go ahead of KA Staff?
Just because something isn't a win for you, doesn't mean it isn't a positive for other members of our team. We have a large percentage of Chinese staff.. guess what.. they go ahead of KA staff too.
At this point you must be Anna or a Director trying to stir the pot.
Anyone else see's the sense in this.
Imagine if KA started a service to Sydney.. doubt you'd be complaining about holding seniority there. Its not up to us who does what route.
We've seen that already.
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MC,
What about the 3-4 dozen Phuket commuters that now ride ahead of 10 yr KA staff?
What about the PEN and KUL Senior Cabin Crew that go ahead of KA Staff?
Just because something isn't a win for you, doesn't mean it isn't a positive for other members of our team. We have a large percentage of Chinese staff.. guess what.. they go ahead of KA staff too.
At this point you must be Anna or a Director trying to stir the pot.
Anyone else see's the sense in this.
Imagine if KA started a service to Sydney.. doubt you'd be complaining about holding seniority there. Its not up to us who does what route.
We've seen that already.
What about the 3-4 dozen Phuket commuters that now ride ahead of 10 yr KA staff?
What about the PEN and KUL Senior Cabin Crew that go ahead of KA Staff?
Just because something isn't a win for you, doesn't mean it isn't a positive for other members of our team. We have a large percentage of Chinese staff.. guess what.. they go ahead of KA staff too.
At this point you must be Anna or a Director trying to stir the pot.
Anyone else see's the sense in this.
Imagine if KA started a service to Sydney.. doubt you'd be complaining about holding seniority there. Its not up to us who does what route.
We've seen that already.
I would counter your argument by suggesting Crew using staff travel to commute out of Oz would beat everywhere KA collectively fly to by a factor of at least 5 to 1. Especially since that old chestnut Phuket is losing commuters every month.
The AOA had 6 months to look at the proposal and rejected sensible options put forward by C scalers. Why? I will never know, but this was before the membership numbers tilted in favour of those not on ARAPA. How, someone replied, this isn’t part of my employment and shouldn’t have been looked at by the AOA defies belief. Housing isn’t in my COS either.
KA pilots back in 2016 insisted this change would make no difference to staff travel for junior CX crew and that’s so far removed from the reality of 2017.
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Morning Coffee. You are starting early this morning. In your management cubicle ready to do battle? The pilots of both airlines are united against the same Swire management (you) that afflict them. Attempts to sow discord are a waste of time. We blame YOU and YOUR KIND for any ill effects your policies have caused.