Great support from Dragon Air captains.. NOT
To be fair, I think the main reason for a lack of comments on social media is knowing that some will take it as an insult knowing that KA have a 13th month included in our COS.
I personally do feel for the CX guys and can't see the logic in the decision to single out the one group that has so much leverage in the ability to cost the compony money in lost efficiency.
As far as Yammar goes, a few went on in the early days to voice some concerns but CX management simply weren't interested in responding. So everyone left.
Training CX SO's, I do believe that the DPA were prepared to put a stop to it but the AOA advised against it. (Thats not confirmed)
I personally do feel for the CX guys and can't see the logic in the decision to single out the one group that has so much leverage in the ability to cost the compony money in lost efficiency.
As far as Yammar goes, a few went on in the early days to voice some concerns but CX management simply weren't interested in responding. So everyone left.
Training CX SO's, I do believe that the DPA were prepared to put a stop to it but the AOA advised against it. (Thats not confirmed)
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KA are on yammer, just less interest than us.
Many now joining yammer as first time posters to raise awareness on the current state of toxic relations in this company.
The issue I see is people keep saying "management" for once let's highlight the true problem.
It's SWIRE FFS, they are completely out of touch with their rotating management style , they don't even have a clue how far this goes back, fortunately some posts pointing out this toxic company relationship goes back to '92-94 era.
So if anyone decides to post let's stop saying management let's use the term Swire, the problem is squarely at their feet GMA primarily and secondly the DFO, both completely out of touch with FOPs as is "Ton for Tom" who's now seeing the hatred flight crew feel for this company.
In one reply he used the term SOME crew not realising it's the majority.
Many now joining yammer as first time posters to raise awareness on the current state of toxic relations in this company.
The issue I see is people keep saying "management" for once let's highlight the true problem.
It's SWIRE FFS, they are completely out of touch with their rotating management style , they don't even have a clue how far this goes back, fortunately some posts pointing out this toxic company relationship goes back to '92-94 era.
So if anyone decides to post let's stop saying management let's use the term Swire, the problem is squarely at their feet GMA primarily and secondly the DFO, both completely out of touch with FOPs as is "Ton for Tom" who's now seeing the hatred flight crew feel for this company.
In one reply he used the term SOME crew not realising it's the majority.
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Not to mention the GMA has a visceral dislike for aircrew. Must have gone to the 'School of Herbert' (most of you know what I mean by that!). There will be no peace while the Swire's insist on putting people in these jobs that missed out on 'Humanity 101' during their upbringing.
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We mustn't judge the KA crews. Most are pondering the "me next" option. All I would say to KA crews is please don't operate any CX flights cancelled due lack of CX crew in the next few weeks. In other words do not cross the picket line. If it's got a CX flight number "go sick".
Thanks guys and girls.
Thanks guys and girls.
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How many are on yammer? Few would admit to it .
You want me to go into contract compliance over your housing ( whilst your trainers still train ) and you dish this rubbish up?
I’d be remeasuring what real and useful support is if I were you. Yammer?
How many are on yammer? Few would admit to it .
You want me to go into contract compliance over your housing ( whilst your trainers still train ) and you dish this rubbish up?
I’d be remeasuring what real and useful support is if I were you. Yammer?
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That is one of my points. Their conditions are next in line to be attacked next year and they can rely on me to show support for them when it happens. Sorry just thought their silence was deafening. I am no way trying to cause a devide between us just interested to seek out a reason
Is that all you are correcting ? I thought this a thread inciting stupidity .
KA Pilots are different . You need to be clear on your expectations . Few do yammer. I don’t because I find my operation in China easier using airmanship and the manuals .
Now there are some expectations of KA pilots emerging behind the scenes . Tit for tat silliness here is unhelpful and plays into our adversaries hand.
I recall you guys flying by my routes when I was in CC years ago. My expectations at the time realistic . Now times are different and your expectations of us should be a little more savvy than starting jump seat wars over yammer!
KA Pilots are different . You need to be clear on your expectations . Few do yammer. I don’t because I find my operation in China easier using airmanship and the manuals .
Now there are some expectations of KA pilots emerging behind the scenes . Tit for tat silliness here is unhelpful and plays into our adversaries hand.
I recall you guys flying by my routes when I was in CC years ago. My expectations at the time realistic . Now times are different and your expectations of us should be a little more savvy than starting jump seat wars over yammer!
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To be fair, I think the main reason for a lack of comments on social media is knowing that some will take it as an insult knowing that KA have a 13th month included in our COS.
I personally do feel for the CX guys and can't see the logic in the decision to single out the one group that has so much leverage in the ability to cost the compony money in lost efficiency.
As far as Yammar goes, a few went on in the early days to voice some concerns but CX management simply weren't interested in responding. So everyone left.
Training CX SO's, I do believe that the DPA were prepared to put a stop to it but the AOA advised against it. (Thats not confirmed)
I personally do feel for the CX guys and can't see the logic in the decision to single out the one group that has so much leverage in the ability to cost the compony money in lost efficiency.
As far as Yammar goes, a few went on in the early days to voice some concerns but CX management simply weren't interested in responding. So everyone left.
Training CX SO's, I do believe that the DPA were prepared to put a stop to it but the AOA advised against it. (Thats not confirmed)
I was on DPA excecutive committee at that time. We were more than prepared to support AOA in preventing CX pilots being trained at KA. We had a meeting at our Queens Rd office with senior AOA reps and we were told that KA Training CX pilots was so far down their list of priorities that they didn't care.
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We never asked to be part of your CX group. We were quite happy receiving our bonus and profit share every year until the tragedy of September 2006. Now all our hard work gets spread amoungst 22000 other employees and we get close to zero. Any issues you have bought on yourselves from CX management are nothing to do with us at KA. The good news for you CX pilots is that there appears there will be a mass exodus of senior KA pilots over the next two years as we have zero confidence in CX management and their ability to " win". So there will be lots and lots of A320 command slots for you to happily fly 30-40 sectors a month in China. Happy days fellas!!!!
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That is one of my points. Their conditions are next in line to be attacked next year and they can rely on me to show support for them when it happens. Sorry just thought their silence was deafening. I am no way trying to cause a devide between us just interested to seek out a reason
We are the cash cow in this organisation. Why do you think CX bought KA outright in 2006??
Management are far to savvy to come after KA because if they do there will be no more CX or KA
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What are you expecting? KA captains will fight for their contract if it gets attacked,
We are still 2 different airlines and none of you at CX would survive 1 month on our roster.
If need be we’ll fight for our contract and if we don’t like the restult we’ll work somewhere else.
None of us think of KA as a permanent job.
We are still 2 different airlines and none of you at CX would survive 1 month on our roster.
If need be we’ll fight for our contract and if we don’t like the restult we’ll work somewhere else.
None of us think of KA as a permanent job.
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I personally fully support the CX crew in raising their objections to this undesirable practise. I believe this decision was ill conceived and believe the methodology that lead to it to be counterproductive in pretty much every respect. That being said, I technically still work for another company. I did not think it appropriate for myself (especially with such a short time here) to interject in a discussion that runs long and deep and formally does not concern my COS. That does not mean I do not support your sentiments, quite the contrary, but there is a time and a place and for me this is not it. May I also just add that although we receive a chinese new year bonus, it is contractual and as such simply part of our salary package. No KA crew receive any form of ex-gratia payment from the company, so you are not the only one’s excluded from a voluntary token of appreciation.
Should our associations decide to align their interests know that my vote would be for it. It is nonsensical in the first place for us not to work together. I have nothing to gain from your loss, neither does any other KA crew. Don’t sell your colleagues short that quickly, you have bigger fish to fry that do not involve us. That’s just my two pesetas for you.
Should our associations decide to align their interests know that my vote would be for it. It is nonsensical in the first place for us not to work together. I have nothing to gain from your loss, neither does any other KA crew. Don’t sell your colleagues short that quickly, you have bigger fish to fry that do not involve us. That’s just my two pesetas for you.
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They've no time for Yammer. Too busy using their PRI25 subload tickets to kick CX crew off flights out of Oz. To think the DPA begged CX not to give them PRI 25.
Apparently.
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Ignore Morning Coffee. He is a well known management plant (and all round pathetic human being). He's just trying to cause a rift. Apparently that is the sole purpose of his life's work: cause misery. Congrats, your mother is proud i'm certain. We ALL need to work together to defeat what is undoubtedly the worst airline management in the modern world. Epic failure on every level. MC is just a tiny cog in a large machine dedicated to mistreating their most valued employees. Madness on every level. I welcome the KA pilots as brothers and sisters. Thank you for your recent support.