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Deafening Silence

Old 7th Dec 2017, 11:52
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Deafening Silence

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Old 7th Dec 2017, 11:55
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My AOA website front page has now got bright red borders. Maybe thatís the response
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Old 7th Dec 2017, 12:13
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I understand the notion of keeping your powder dry...please let it be that and not quivering in silence.

AOA...turn on your comms!
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Old 7th Dec 2017, 12:17
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That will show them, turn your website color to red.

CX will be running for the hills!
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Old 7th Dec 2017, 13:23
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Red with embarrassment !
Strike 700 captains from the membership.
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Old 7th Dec 2017, 13:38
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In history there have been many events that have required both leadership and character. Especially when one is confronted with what seems overwhelming force and evil. My grandfather had to confront such a situation over 70 years ago. As a corporate entity, we are confronting the same situation now. Our management have declared open war on us, and are attempting to do so with a tactic that divides and conquers. If we don't all unite and attack this enemy head-on we WILL fall. This will cease to be a career airline. For those of you in the more junior ranks, please consider just how awful this development is as it pertains to your own career worth. The company is saying that the most senior of us, the ones who have dedicated their entire careers to this company are worth "0". Realise what that is saying for your own career and value. To my colleagues still in C @ T, surely this has to be that defining moment where you realise that you have been used (and abused), and it is now the moment where you establish your own standard of correct behaviour. Not a single one of us MUST be seen to be aiding or abetting this enemy. And it is an enemy make no question. That smug, smiling and self-gorging entity called a DFO is not only upending and destroying our security, our 'contract' (as it pertains to the promise and offer that brought us all here in the first place) and lifestyle, but is doing so in a way that is FULL of contempt and discrimination. I will not accept that any one of us will behave in the same manner as they did in days prior. We are confronted by something that is inherently evil, and it must be dealt with accordingly. All of us have the same things at stake: our own professional self-worth and value. If we don't finally stand up strong against this, then we all deserve the hollow, empty and worthless 'career' that we will surely receive. Time for each of us to make a decision on how and when you will contribute your piece in defending our profession and self-worth.
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Old 7th Dec 2017, 14:49
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Trafalgar I fear your words are falling on deaf ears. They are already spending their 35K.
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Old 7th Dec 2017, 16:51
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Traf

Sadly, too late for trying to stop a sinking ship.

All you have too do is look at the 3rd floor "team" that now and in the past have remained in place under the guise of "I'm here to protect you not the company" and you will get a feel of what has happened over the years.
Just look at group of "senior sim instructors" including the drunken JM that are as we speak undercutting and undermining the pilot body as a whole without one iota of introspect.
They have no life so with nothing to do, it's only too easy to assist in the degradation of what was once a fantastic career. Let's all hold hands and help AT degrade us all until we get a common type rating B747/Uber... At a common pay scale of course.

Make me want to vomit each and every one of them....
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Old 8th Dec 2017, 03:59
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Pilots could start by resigning from this stupid union
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Old 8th Dec 2017, 04:07
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MainDude,

Very good point - a mass resignation from the union today would be best (but they did not pre plan for no 13th but expected it) so many gather the troops and mass resign from the union on Monday with a leak to the press.

Have a rep ready to talk to media (maybe a recent ex employee) and state that discussions are currently under way in response to the 13th pay issue.
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Old 8th Dec 2017, 04:18
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Let's all hold hands and help AT degrade us all until we get a common type rating B747/Uber... At a common pay scale of course.
I hear Uber is allowing tips now!
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Old 8th Dec 2017, 06:44
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Colleagues. Can you please engage brain before posting. The FO’s and SO's are as disgusted by what has just happened as the Captains are. They can see how insulting it is and it makes them focus on the fact that one day (if they stay, which I wouldn't recommend) they will be the likely recipients of such appalling disrespect and contempt. Focus on the big picture. And I hope they do spend the $35k, as they’ve been ripped off since the day they arrived.

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Old 8th Dec 2017, 07:33
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I agree. I am a captain and I urge the FOs and SOs to enjoy your bonus. You deserve a full bonus. The management are the bad guys here
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