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Old 7th Dec 2017, 10:08   #21 (permalink)
 
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I DID WALK AWAY. I was offered the original C-Scale contract. I said no. I walked away. I refused the scraps you begged for.
So you only took an A-Scale contract then ChinaBeached?
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Old 7th Dec 2017, 10:11   #22 (permalink)
 
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The main point is obvious: this airline has ceased to be a career airline. All that is left is the resolve to demonstrate we aren’t lemmings. I am leaving soon. I resigned training almost a year ago. I trust my colleagues will have the character and resolve to now do the same. How can any of you go to work with any self respect after what our management has just done? The time has come to be counted. Our very profession and honor is at stake. We are in a war and there is no hiding from it. Do what is right.

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Old 7th Dec 2017, 10:14   #23 (permalink)
 
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Gents - I wish you only the best. I sincerely hope you all can both get what best you can from the present situation as well as move on to either a happier career or happy retirement. For me it was a bullet dodged - all be it an easy one to see coming for all the obvious reasons of professionalism and integrity.

There are still some real pilots left at CX who know what integrity and unity is. I hope you can band together and if nothing else leave a legacy but I fear to the next generation they will be completely perplexed by it.

As I wrote in a previous thread, the GenY Millennial C-Scalers are your new bosses. They have the numbers and therefore dictate the terms. They moan and whine from the cheapest of seats about the Training Ban affecting their promotion timeline without the slightest appreciation of short term sacrifice and UNITY for long term rewards.

If these kids masquerading as "pilots" had an ounce of professional morality they would do just as they are calling for: UNITY via the means I suggested. But as I wrote, it's not in their moral compass.
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Old 7th Dec 2017, 10:33   #24 (permalink)
 
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Exactly.
So no more RETI, AZFW adjustments, discretion or landings to FO's, Jump seats only for other captains. This list is endless.
FOs and SOs need those jumps as well. Dont hurt your colleaguess in the cockpit like that
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Old 7th Dec 2017, 10:55   #25 (permalink)
 
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ChinaBeached.
You didn’t answer my question, so I’m going to assume you joined on B-Scale then since you turned down the original C-Scale.

Would you not therefore agree that you accepted something that in the eyes of the A-Scalers, was an inferior contract and a potential to further cuts?

Whether you “Took contracts that didn’t undermine your colleagues” is all based on your frame of reference. Not sure if your fellow A-Scale guys would agree with you on that one.

I wouldn’t blame B-Scale colleagues, and I won’t blame C-Scale colleagues. I will blame those responsible for terrible business decisions that have created this problem, who want to transfer the cost of their mistakes onto the people who fulfill their part of the deal in keeping the operation going.
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Old 7th Dec 2017, 11:13   #26 (permalink)
 
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"....fulfill their part of the deal in keeping the operation going...". I wouldn't count on that from now on.
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Old 7th Dec 2017, 11:35   #27 (permalink)
 
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Maybe NOW it's time the captains got together, took the lead and did something about this? Oh no, wait and see what happens later and then do nothing again. Mustn't temporarily give up that precious T&C title...
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Old 7th Dec 2017, 12:11   #28 (permalink)
 
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F D U

Chinabeached does NOT work here he just likes to write about how wonderful and heroic he is for not joining!
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Old 7th Dec 2017, 12:48   #29 (permalink)
 
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Chinabeached....stop dodging the question, are you a scale or b scale? Because if you are b scale then you're the biggest hypocrite in the history of PPRuNe, which is a major achievement indeed.
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Old 7th Dec 2017, 13:27   #30 (permalink)
 
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China B never joined CX. It’s my understanding that he saw the writing on the wall and chose not to.

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Old 7th Dec 2017, 16:46   #31 (permalink)
 
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I feel sorry for the 4 guys recently promoted to captain as mentioned by AT in the Wednesday Windup. Their value to the company reduced to "zero" after months of hard work. Shameful and soooooooooo shortsighted.
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Old 7th Dec 2017, 17:09   #32 (permalink)
 
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To give everyone an idea who this pathetic little troll is, here are some of his recent quotes on PPRuNe:

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I interviewed and passed the CX interview in early 2008 and was amongst the first to be offered C Scale.
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Me & the others like me who PASSSED the CX interview to a FAR, FAR higher standard over 3 years ago do feel let down.
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I flew my ar$e off in the outback & top end of Oz for 4500+ hrs flying approaches & in conditions that the pathetic likes of you can only study about in the hope of blabbering your way through an interview.
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I & those before your pitiful existence passed the CX interview to a standard C-Scale iCadets could never fathom.
So, to summarize:

He thinks that 4500 hours is lot (Hahahaaa!! Poor, young pup! BTW, does it even snow in Australia? Every time I've been down there, it's been mostly sunny.)

Apparently his grammar and spelling doesn't reach the same level as his unfathomable, far, far higher flying standards (Did he seriously start a sentence with the word, "Me"?)

He was willing to accept a reduced B-scale, but not a further-reduced C-scale (no hypocrisy there).

All of his friends got hired on B-scale, then they handed him a C-scale contract. He stormed away with a shattered ego, and spent the next 9 years on PPRuNe as an Internet troll bashing anyone who took the C-scale contract. Now he's calling for CX captains to not give jump seats to his "friends" that got the B-scale contract that he didn't get offered (Seriously, Dude! -- It's been 9 years! It's time to let it go! Why do you even care?)
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Old 7th Dec 2017, 17:33   #33 (permalink)
 
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Pogie,

'Me' thinks your post is brilliant. Excellent research.
Not sure about snow in OZ, but I did experience 9ºC once. So maybe he does have some winter experience.
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Old 7th Dec 2017, 17:58   #34 (permalink)
 
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Divide and Conquer. Swire 101

Bend over and take it up the a** - SWIRE 102
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Old 7th Dec 2017, 20:25   #35 (permalink)
 
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The only bending over i'll be doing is when I bend over to adjust my flip flops before heading to the beach. The beach i'll be on recuperating from my 'unfit for duty' time off. That time will be used to finalise my retirement plans. As for those of you a bit younger, use the same time off work to attend interviews and plan your exit from this utterly toxic company. Speak to those that have recently left. None of them regret it. There is life after CX. By all means stay if you want a career of abuse, meager earnings and living in fear. Then this will be just the place for you.
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Old 7th Dec 2017, 20:29   #36 (permalink)
 
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Show unity without risking your job

There are some selfless and generous pilots at CX, many of whom are captains who have just been screwed.

A few years ago, almost 300 CX pilots donated over US$13,000 to two heroic passengers screwed by CX.

https://www.pprune.org/fragrant-harb...ml#post8662607

I think the idea of all the FOs and SOs pooling their "13th month" and distributing it to all the captains is a great idea, one which would show unity without risking anyone's job!

Now's the chance.
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Old 7th Dec 2017, 20:35   #37 (permalink)
 
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I don't want nor need my colleagues money. They deserve their small stipend, and so do we. In fact, we all deserve a full 13th month. The Captains can take care of this effectively in other ways, and we will. I do think that the AOA should immediately pass a motion that states that no one will take up a vacated CandT position until the person that vacates said position is rehired back into that position first. That way the company won't be able to fill the slots of those resigning from C and T.
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Old 7th Dec 2017, 23:04   #38 (permalink)
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I think the idea of all the FOs and SOs pooling their "13th month" and distributing it to all the captains is a great idea, one which would show unity without risking anyone's job!

Now's the chance.
Are you crazy! Cx will just repeat their tactics next year and assume the rest of the troops will share it again. It'll become the norm.
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Old 7th Dec 2017, 23:09   #39 (permalink)
 
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Correct. We need to let them know that the money they 'saved' will end up costing them far more in the end. That is the only way to stop this contempt.
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Old 7th Dec 2017, 23:33   #40 (permalink)
 
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CX/Swire Mgmt has decided to pay less than a full month of 13th month to ALL pilots (SO1 basic monthly is more than $35000). Whilst I appreciate the generosity in suggesting a share of the misery, I am totally in agreement with Traf that other means will be found to penalise the company for this egregious gesture.
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