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Well, Frank was a thug, as is our management. I won't be here for long, as i've done my time. You miss the point however. The 13th month is being paid to KA staff. They also have better housing and higher salaries. CX staff have been attacked constantly for 25 years. For the first time, there is a genuine pilot shortage developing worldwide. CX pilots don't need to waste their careers working for an employer who denigrates and humiliates them at every turn. To not pay the 13th month would only help reinforce the pointlessness of wasting your career with this company. So please, don't pay the bonus, and help hundreds of pilots decide that they are better off being elsewhere. The tide is turning, and CX management are too arrogant and too blind to see the world is changing around them. If they want to withhold the 13th month, and cut my provident fund and housing....I think that will be quite enough to see most of us moving on. And btw Anti...it's not just about me.
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And what of this...
Those approaching command as SFOs on bases. What package would they be coming to HK on? What about a NJer? What will they be getting in the future? So many questions, so few answers. CX better eliminate the uncertainty soon or they will just be helping those outside HK now to make an easy decision even simpler. I think I’ll be getting my home country’s medical cert on my next HKCAD renewal. Glad CX makes it so easy to leave.
Those approaching command as SFOs on bases. What package would they be coming to HK on? What about a NJer? What will they be getting in the future? So many questions, so few answers. CX better eliminate the uncertainty soon or they will just be helping those outside HK now to make an easy decision even simpler. I think I’ll be getting my home country’s medical cert on my next HKCAD renewal. Glad CX makes it so easy to leave.
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Ah....so the ONLY people not getting their proper bonus will be HK based pilots. Out of the whole company. I see. Well, we all know exactly how to redress that attack on ourselves and our families don't we. 
Now listen, the significant improvements KA received came about due a CC campaign that had folks like yourself trying to resign via ACARS. It was a decimation that had CX sending over their managers with olive branches and a policy of bringing the KA package up toward the CX pilots. Their words in their Back On Board campaign.
KA pilots are under no illusions as to what may be coming. Morale is worse than the height of CC- admitted by management. To draw KA pilots into another CC campaign in my opinion, would wreck the group. And I think my colleagues know this, the fragility of the operation and its management, a potential exit strategy is essential. But there's no fanfare or tears, this is just a hat-less contract job
Now you need to be told Trafalagr, nick off. We aren't your enemy. It's the goons you see at immigration who work for the two low cost pilot jobs in Hong Kong, that have our management scratching their heads as to why they pay as they do, and why jets don't fall out of the sky.
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Gnads,
Don't take him the wrong way. I am glad you KA pilots are receiving your 13th month and wish you all the best. I have much more respect for you than the bulk of the CX pilot group.
Ours used to be contractual as well, just another one of the many degradations we have allowed over the years without standing up for ourselves. Let's hope you all can stand your ground better than us.
Don't take him the wrong way. I am glad you KA pilots are receiving your 13th month and wish you all the best. I have much more respect for you than the bulk of the CX pilot group.
Ours used to be contractual as well, just another one of the many degradations we have allowed over the years without standing up for ourselves. Let's hope you all can stand your ground better than us.
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Gnadenburg. I don't recall mentioning that KA pilots are the 'enemy'. I don't begrudge your T and C's. Just pointing out that CX pilots are being treated even worse. I am glad you have the benefits you do, and support them. I don't believe in tearing the 'top down', but building the 'bottom up'. I am fully supportive of the KA and CX pilots working together to take this management head-on. Best to you.
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"Now listen, the significant improvements KA received came about due a CC campaign that had folks like yourself trying to resign via ACARS. It was a decimation that had CX sending over their managers with olive branches and a policy of bringing the KA package up toward the CX pilots. Their words in their Back On Board campaign."
Yeah, another great historic KA pilot victory!
CX sent their managers over and
yes, the CX 'chequebook' trick worked, CC campaign and resignations or not.
Nearly 200 Dragonair staff were made redundant, many more after having signed over to CX.
Except pilots and cabin crew the remaining staff had to sign over on a new contract with CX, cargo routes given away to CX, KA positions lost, the B747's, HIAS, KA Flight Training Centre, LSG sky chef part ownership were taken away and Dragonair Cargo, engineering, IT, finance, accounting and the rest of the airline closed.
KA has since been described by analysts as “basically a contract carrier” for its parent airline, a group of pilots and cabin crew.
"CX managers came with olive branches". Really?
The CX management got everything they wanted, Dragonair and Dragonair Cargo was no more
Yeah, another great historic KA pilot victory!
CX sent their managers over and
yes, the CX 'chequebook' trick worked, CC campaign and resignations or not.
Nearly 200 Dragonair staff were made redundant, many more after having signed over to CX.
Except pilots and cabin crew the remaining staff had to sign over on a new contract with CX, cargo routes given away to CX, KA positions lost, the B747's, HIAS, KA Flight Training Centre, LSG sky chef part ownership were taken away and Dragonair Cargo, engineering, IT, finance, accounting and the rest of the airline closed.
KA has since been described by analysts as “basically a contract carrier” for its parent airline, a group of pilots and cabin crew.
"CX managers came with olive branches". Really?
The CX management got everything they wanted, Dragonair and Dragonair Cargo was no more
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I’m having trouble following you Tsim. Everything Gnad’s said is 100% correct. A CC campaign was supplemented by a large resignation rate and the subsequent improvement to terms and conditions was quite significant. All signed off by a CX manager who was sent over to ‘sort the mess out’. Which he did quite quickly with a chequebook. I just wish someone up the food chain had the sense to rectify your predicament the same way.
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You are having problems following me.
Where is that great airlines, Dragonair and Dragonair Cargo?
Yes, the CX 'chequebook' trick worked, CC campaign and resignations or not.
Smoke and mirrors and it was all gone!
Master magician Harry Houdini could not have done it better.
And where will you be shortly, on what contract and with whom?
13th month?
The CX management got everything they wanted, without you even realized what happened!
Where is that great airlines, Dragonair and Dragonair Cargo?
Yes, the CX 'chequebook' trick worked, CC campaign and resignations or not.
Smoke and mirrors and it was all gone!
Master magician Harry Houdini could not have done it better.
And where will you be shortly, on what contract and with whom?
13th month?
The CX management got everything they wanted, without you even realized what happened!
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They can't cap the 13th month. It is "defined" as one month basic pay.
They can and have capped the profit share which is very different.
In certain jurisdictions like France and Spain the 13th month is payable to ground staff no matter what the operating profit or loss but Swire's keep that little gem quiet.
They can and have capped the profit share which is very different.
In certain jurisdictions like France and Spain the 13th month is payable to ground staff no matter what the operating profit or loss but Swire's keep that little gem quiet.
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True you can't cap 13th month, wish we got it, but unfortunately, for a long time now we get an 'annual discretionary bonus' which is mostly paid in the form of a months salary, but these clowns make it up as they go along.
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Do any of you actually want 13th month? Curtain Rod and a bunch of you argue that we were wise to turn down a pay raise because the company were never going to pay it. Though they’ve been paying pay raises when contractually obliged to at least 200,000 staff for the last 70 years.
So why are you asking for 13th month, when apparently even if the company announce they’re going to pay it, the militant amongst us are convinced they probably won’t.
Better still, if it’s paid why don’t we further cut off our nose to spite our face and give the money back.
So why are you asking for 13th month, when apparently even if the company announce they’re going to pay it, the militant amongst us are convinced they probably won’t.
Better still, if it’s paid why don’t we further cut off our nose to spite our face and give the money back.
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They can't cap the 13th month. It is "defined" as one month basic pay.
They can and have capped the profit share which is very different.
In certain jurisdictions like France and Spain the 13th month is payable to ground staff no matter what the operating profit or loss but Swire's keep that little gem quiet.
They can and have capped the profit share which is very different.
In certain jurisdictions like France and Spain the 13th month is payable to ground staff no matter what the operating profit or loss but Swire's keep that little gem quiet.
In COS 99 it’s stated in 9.5. Annual Discretionary Bonus.
It’s pretty clear.
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Morningcoffee. Your management drivel is really tiresome. And please, don't make me laugh about CX honouring anything to do with contracts. They are the poster child for moral failure on that score. As mentioned before, don't pay the 13th month and you will quickly see that it will have cost you far more, both in the deterioration of the operation, more resignations and more malaise amongst the remaining crew, who basically don't really give a 
anymore. I for one will recoup my '13th' month in other ways. It really is a zero sum game, but the arrogance of your group of incompetents don't reaslise that you have lost control of the eventual outcome: we have the control, and over the next 18 months you will come to see that your aircraft will effectively become the worlds most expensive paperweights. 
anymore. I for one will recoup my '13th' month in other ways. It really is a zero sum game, but the arrogance of your group of incompetents don't reaslise that you have lost control of the eventual outcome: we have the control, and over the next 18 months you will come to see that your aircraft will effectively become the worlds most expensive paperweights.