31,970 hours of flying experience is perhaps a bit too much.

[Killaroo]

One would assume that when one becomes a commander of a wide body ULH aircraft that flying hours become irrelevant. It's year of service that I believe is more pertinent. I doubt anyone is doing it for vanity at that point. Does it really matter if one has 25,000 hours or 15,000 hours?

Exactly.

CR, I totally get your point. The point some of us here are trying to make is that if we were to all start saying-time in the bunk shouldn't be logged, CX would be very quick to say-good idea, and no need to pay you either then.

Emirates tried it already.
Keep encouraging them.

[RandomPerson8008]

Block time is what counts toward FAA flight/duty time restrictions so of course all block time during which you are on board the aircraft as a required crewmember should be logged, without regard to when or how much break time is taken. FAA also allows the PIC listed on the flight release to log all block time for the flight as PIC - take it up with the FAA if you don't like it. It's relevant since this was a US carrier operating on behalf of CX. Fact is (as we all know) if you're the captain, even on your break you are liable to be called up to the flight deck should a problem arise, I encourage my F/O's to do so even for minor questions. In reality it doesn't really matter unless you're applying for a new job. I wasn't even asked for my logbooks at my current employer; airlines will know what you've been doing based upon where you've been working, logbooks are a formality.

[ACMS]

Stop all this public squabbling over crap.

Pull your heads in.

[shortly2]

Then the rules need to be much more specific on log books in general. But would they be enforceable or does it really matter a jot? So this experienced pilot made a mistake (apparently). Of course we have never made a mistake, all our flights have been flawless. Grow up guys. Of course I mean guys in the completely accepting of all genders or partial genders or those not sure of their genders.

[Sea Eggs]

My friend, John Deakin, retired as a JAL 747 captain in 1999 at 60 y.o. I think he had >32,000 hours at that point.

https://www.avweb.com/news/pelican/182090-1.html

https://www.advancedpilot.com/staff.html

[Shep69]

The only hour that is really important is the one that’s in front of you.

As far as esoterics and getting down in the weeds, we log time (I think everyone does) while watching and managing an autopilot which is doing its thing. While there is skill and training involved, it’s still the thing doing most of the flying. So any other point is moot — it’s just a matter of following whatever rules there are toward what time you are allowed to log. Watching air go by isn’t the same as actually flying the jet but making such a distinction in practice is hard to do and — like seniority — there isn’t much of a way to figure out how to do it better. Pay scales really have nothing to do with any of it and are their own animal altogether. So that’s that.

[Oldaircrew]

Curtain rod,

Like many people you incorrectly apply the concept of flying hours.

It is about RESPONSIBILITY, not actual time in the seat! Whoever has responsibility logs the hours. It doesn't matter if you are fast asleep at the time; if you are responsible, you are the commander. Whilst you are asleep, you are in charge, therefore you are responsible. That's why we get paid the money. Not to fly from A to B but to be responsible for flying from A to B.

The managers have denigrated us to a point where most pilots feel their job is to fly from A to B. They are WRONG!!! We are there to be responsible!

mol does not get paid for running Ryanair. Timmy Clark does not get paid to run EK. They are paid for bearing the responsibility of running said Airlines. We are the same.

It is time we realised what we are here for and why we are being paid. Until then, we are slaves to the system.

[arketip]

Originally Posted by Oldaircrew

mol does not get paid for running Ryanair. Timmy Clark does not get paid to run EK. They are paid for bearing the responsibility of running said Airlines. We are the same.

Then they can log the whole fleet hours on their logbook. They must have a lot of hours of flying experience and in a lot of types.

[filejw]

When my company had 2 Captains on a over 12 hr flight they showed the flight time split between Captains.Fast forward to a new labor agreement with 1 Captain and 3 FO's on the same flight and they then credited the Captain for the full flight.

[Judd]

but those who actually log bunk time as PIC flying time should be embarrassed

Just as bad are those pilots who log all their time on autopilot as instrument flight time. Yet watch them in a simulator trying to hand fly on raw data and you really wonder how they get through an instrument rating.

[RandomPerson8008]

A lot of things about aviation are absurd. Why does this matter, why do you care, aside from trying to prove that the military way of doing things is better. Really, who cares?

[Killaroo]

Does O’Leary have a pilots licence?
No?
Then why does he need a logbook?

[Dragon69]

Originally Posted by Curtain rod

It's a pet peeve, because it is so embarrassing to be surrounded by people who need to inflate their egos with such things.

...and I am once again amazed by the pettiness, narcisism and thin skin of those around me.

OK, back to ARAPA now...

Have you by any chance looked at yourself in the mirror at all?

[Oldaircrew]

Curtain,

I took your suggestion and relooked at my post as well as the rest of the thread. The old adage of not reading pprune after a long brunch was brought back to me.

Whilst my post was totally out of context in this thread, I do believe that the basics of what I wrote are true. We are deemed responsible and accountable for what happens on the aircraft and should be rewarded commensurately. We are also undervalued by our management, who have taken every opportunity we have given them to belittle and demean us as a group. I am sure that many, if not most, CX crew feel the sameway.