End of CX housing..
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Quite, though rather than tell AT or the forums, tell your AME! As pilots we are notoriously reluctant to do this, maybe now is a good time to consider stress levels, sleep quality and whether they are impacting on the line. Interesting NASA article for those that way inclined on how life stress affects pilot performance and the link between preoccupation and accident markers.
http ://scholar.google.com.hk/scholar_url?url=http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download%3Fdoi%3D10.1.1.483.723%26rep%3Drep1%26type%3Dpdf&hl =en&sa=X&scisig=AAGBfm1fQ5ul4PP9iwFTjuFAiYAEgMl8tA&nossl=1&o i=scholarr&ved=0ahUKEwjDg4auruDWAhWLlpQKHTPPDwAQgAMIJSgAMAA
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Management look at numbers and a lack of pilot turnover has led them to believe that they are paying too much. They would like to see a certain amount of churn to know that they have got the package at the correct level. Not so high that no one ever leaves and not so low that experience levels become a problem or that the training department gets overwhelmed with new joiners.
Ryanair finally listened and improved pay and conditions only after the numbers of crew leaving resulted in flight cancellations.
Back in 1989 the Australian domestic pilots had a stranglehold on an essential service and still lost. A vast country with little alternative to air transport given the distances involved and lack of a high speed rail network. Every sector from business to tourism felt the pain and had no alternative airlines they could use.
Hong Kong obviously has no internal flights, connecting traffic can easily switch to EK, SQ, QR, EY etc. Passengers either originating in Hong Kong or having it as their destination can switch to the other airline on the route who may be able to lay on an extra flight or two. Buses could be laid on to ZGGG and ZGSZ and ferries to VMMC to catch flights from these airports.
Public sympathy would be zero if CNY travel plans were disrupted.
Disruption and inconvenience would be considerable but the starting position is much weaker than the Aussies were in 28 years ago.
Ryanair finally listened and improved pay and conditions only after the numbers of crew leaving resulted in flight cancellations.
Back in 1989 the Australian domestic pilots had a stranglehold on an essential service and still lost. A vast country with little alternative to air transport given the distances involved and lack of a high speed rail network. Every sector from business to tourism felt the pain and had no alternative airlines they could use.
Hong Kong obviously has no internal flights, connecting traffic can easily switch to EK, SQ, QR, EY etc. Passengers either originating in Hong Kong or having it as their destination can switch to the other airline on the route who may be able to lay on an extra flight or two. Buses could be laid on to ZGGG and ZGSZ and ferries to VMMC to catch flights from these airports.
Public sympathy would be zero if CNY travel plans were disrupted.
Disruption and inconvenience would be considerable but the starting position is much weaker than the Aussies were in 28 years ago.
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hmmm, well you would have had a good point, other than the obvious oversight: you can hardly get a seat to most of our major destinations. London, LA, NY, all of Aus....hardly a seat available. Especially over the holidays. I know who I wouldn't be booking my holiday travel with. Oh, and please...regarding public sympathy. I stopped worrying about that 20 years ago. Nothing concerns me less.
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Metro Man,
You make a very good argument as to why management are screwed.
It’s cx that want concessions. The crew are happy with their legally enforceable contract. The only way the status quo can change is for management to shut the place down. CX know as well as you do that there’ll be nothing left to open back up for should that happen.
It’d be the ultimate nuclear option.
Fortunately there’s 2 other share holders that own more than 50 percent of the company that aren’t real happy with Swire blowing the place up.
Actually, they’re not real happy with Swire...
You make a very good argument as to why management are screwed.
It’s cx that want concessions. The crew are happy with their legally enforceable contract. The only way the status quo can change is for management to shut the place down. CX know as well as you do that there’ll be nothing left to open back up for should that happen.
It’d be the ultimate nuclear option.
Fortunately there’s 2 other share holders that own more than 50 percent of the company that aren’t real happy with Swire blowing the place up.
Actually, they’re not real happy with Swire...
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Metro Man,
You make a very good argument as to why management are screwed.
It’s cx that want concessions. The crew are happy with their legally enforceable contract. The only way the status quo can change is for management to shut the place down. CX know as well as you do that there’ll be nothing left to open back up for should that happen.
It’d be the ultimate nuclear option.
Fortunately there’s 2 other share holders that own more than 50 percent of the company that aren’t real happy with Swire blowing the place up.
Actually, they’re not real happy with Swire...
You make a very good argument as to why management are screwed.
It’s cx that want concessions. The crew are happy with their legally enforceable contract. The only way the status quo can change is for management to shut the place down. CX know as well as you do that there’ll be nothing left to open back up for should that happen.
It’d be the ultimate nuclear option.
Fortunately there’s 2 other share holders that own more than 50 percent of the company that aren’t real happy with Swire blowing the place up.
Actually, they’re not real happy with Swire...
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Trafalgar, with respect I'm already a rolling 3 month contract pilot. But if the AOA can't change the new arapa housing deal then what purpose does it serve to withold it from members so the said members can't organise their lives?
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Then ask the DFO what it’ll be. It’s the company’s **** sandwich, not the AOA’s.
The AOA’s position is clear. If you’re on clause 4 or 5, what you’ll receive today is what you’ll receive tomorrow.
The AOA’s position is clear. If you’re on clause 4 or 5, what you’ll receive today is what you’ll receive tomorrow.
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Action's good but what we really need is media coverage. There's a wave to ride on the back of Ryanair, which has been a huge story. 'Cathay passengers fear travel chaos over Christmas' 'safety concerns as stressed pilots face losing homes'. If only the Daily Mail was over here.
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Be careful what you wish for . DM like the SCMP is not pro worker. Its owned and operated by big business for big business. Period.
The DM no doubt supports the common down trodden Ryanair passenger. It would turn immediately on a pilot group thatputs its self interest first. Ditto the SCMP.
The DM no doubt supports the common down trodden Ryanair passenger. It would turn immediately on a pilot group thatputs its self interest first. Ditto the SCMP.
