End of CX housing..
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So, who is going to coordinate and lead the execution of this sickout in order to ensure its effectiveness
An actual date where we can all show our disgust will come via different avenues and hopefully not via WhatsApp groups which have spies lurking there.
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I've said it before, there is only one effective response to this.
47% of HK-based pilots need to resign en-masse. Three months notice, starting now.
If the company brings resolve to the table the mass-resignation is withdrawn. Water under the bridge. CX cannot pick and choose; it's all out and all back in. Solidarity in its truest form.
But the move entails considerable risk for the 47%. What of CX accepts the resignations? What if they're willing to drastically cut production to rid themselves of overpaid staff?
If they are, then you needs to ask yourself if this is really where you want to be in the first place. It will never get better.
History shows that appeasement only delays the enivatable when dealing with such people. No more letters, no more negotiations, no more daydreaming of sick-outs, training bans, contract compliance and withdrawal of goodwill. They won't get you to the finish line. These tactics only divide, confuse, delay and give the company enough time to manage the situation.
This is it. Either fight the ultimate battle or capitulate. Stand up for yourself or get what you deserve.
And for those unfamiliar with labour struggles; en-masse resignations is just a fancy word for a strike.
47% of HK-based pilots need to resign en-masse. Three months notice, starting now.
If the company brings resolve to the table the mass-resignation is withdrawn. Water under the bridge. CX cannot pick and choose; it's all out and all back in. Solidarity in its truest form.
But the move entails considerable risk for the 47%. What of CX accepts the resignations? What if they're willing to drastically cut production to rid themselves of overpaid staff?
If they are, then you needs to ask yourself if this is really where you want to be in the first place. It will never get better.
History shows that appeasement only delays the enivatable when dealing with such people. No more letters, no more negotiations, no more daydreaming of sick-outs, training bans, contract compliance and withdrawal of goodwill. They won't get you to the finish line. These tactics only divide, confuse, delay and give the company enough time to manage the situation.
This is it. Either fight the ultimate battle or capitulate. Stand up for yourself or get what you deserve.
And for those unfamiliar with labour struggles; en-masse resignations is just a fancy word for a strike.
For those of us not close to Cathay, can someone please just mention what the abbreviation ARAPA stands for? I realise it has something to do with local housing in the contracts, but what is the actual term? Just curious, thanks.
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No one is going to do anything because of good old seniority and starting at the bottom of a new company will always be worse than a pay cut. A lot of chest beating and swearing but it's all just hot air unfortunately.
And those that do have the kahunas to leave will be a very small percentage just like the base closures and CX is more than happy with that.
And those that do have the kahunas to leave will be a very small percentage just like the base closures and CX is more than happy with that.
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Look, the company's position is that the 47% have too much to lose to take any personal risk.
And they're probably right. Which makes all this huffing and puffing a joke, because in the end no B or A scaler is willing to face the risks associated with open conflict. Which the mentioned Aussies did. However, if England had used Poland as an historical example of what happens when you stand up to evil, we'd all be speaking German.
So take the 30-grand and be happy you had a good run while it lasted. To fight and win you need to be ready to lose it all.
And they're probably right. Which makes all this huffing and puffing a joke, because in the end no B or A scaler is willing to face the risks associated with open conflict. Which the mentioned Aussies did. However, if England had used Poland as an historical example of what happens when you stand up to evil, we'd all be speaking German.
So take the 30-grand and be happy you had a good run while it lasted. To fight and win you need to be ready to lose it all.
Very sad, end of the line for Cathay as a world airline
Clearly appalling management, deceitful dishonest and untrustworthy, do I want to fly on an airline like that?
Pilots stressed, understandable, I know exactly how big an issue this is if you live in HK, its like the company saying oh by the way we have halved your wages. So strikes or hardship or other actions by pilots-do I want to fly on an airline like that?
Inexperienced senior management who think only of their self importance , screw the pilots over today , cut back on fuel reserves and maintenance tomorrow-do I want to fly on an airline like that?
Good luck guys and girls, I ve had some very nice trips on CX over the years but it seems I ve had my last one because , do I want to fly on an airline like that?
Clearly appalling management, deceitful dishonest and untrustworthy, do I want to fly on an airline like that?
Pilots stressed, understandable, I know exactly how big an issue this is if you live in HK, its like the company saying oh by the way we have halved your wages. So strikes or hardship or other actions by pilots-do I want to fly on an airline like that?
Inexperienced senior management who think only of their self importance , screw the pilots over today , cut back on fuel reserves and maintenance tomorrow-do I want to fly on an airline like that?
Good luck guys and girls, I ve had some very nice trips on CX over the years but it seems I ve had my last one because , do I want to fly on an airline like that?
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I just operated today. The majority of the chat was about the above and its implications for the group as a whole, inc KA.
We missed several radio calls and forgot several SOP items.
This issue is a cloud over safe operations. Its a real threat within the flight deck. It will become more so as the debate intensifies.
Its human nature to speculate.
Its inevitable this issue will become a real distraction during daily operations . Period.
We missed several radio calls and forgot several SOP items.
This issue is a cloud over safe operations. Its a real threat within the flight deck. It will become more so as the debate intensifies.
Its human nature to speculate.
Its inevitable this issue will become a real distraction during daily operations . Period.
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THEY DON'T CARE. About you ,your career, your family, your dog, or your duckpond.
They don't give a s##t about the future, or profits, or cost, or passengers, or CX, or aviation.
They don't care if you crash and kill hundreds. It is your fault, not theirs.
Cutting costs in their silo will generate short term bonuses and then they're gone to tugboats in Jesselton or wherever.
They hate you, and they hate their customers.
They don't give a s##t about the future, or profits, or cost, or passengers, or CX, or aviation.
They don't care if you crash and kill hundreds. It is your fault, not theirs.
Cutting costs in their silo will generate short term bonuses and then they're gone to tugboats in Jesselton or wherever.
They hate you, and they hate their customers.
Take a ride o the HAS bus & do a bit of eavesdropping if you want to know how things are going, em not so well. & That little logbook stamp on the third floor will need to be replaced pretty soon....
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Share price up around 2% and will be up again Monday. Market seems pretty happy with efficiencies gained. Not really sure where all this bluster is going. Until we know what the new housing is there's no point in getting worked up.
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I was waiting for it, I'm surprised it took this long for someone to mention 1989.
As if that single event in a god forsaken island with a tiny population south of the equator is going to dictate the industrial dos and don'ts globally for the rest of time. FFS let it go, this is the 21st century, times are different, the place is different, and the scenario is completely different.
As if that single event in a god forsaken island with a tiny population south of the equator is going to dictate the industrial dos and don'ts globally for the rest of time. FFS let it go, this is the 21st century, times are different, the place is different, and the scenario is completely different.
Dragon69: really mate, you are so naive and short sighted it’s......well amazing.
What happened in ‘89 was the beginning of the end of Airline Pilot as a career anywhere in the World, the ramifications of which are still bouncing around the Globe everyday. Airline managers wet their pants with excitement over this.
What happened in ‘89 was the beginning of the end of Airline Pilot as a career anywhere in the World, the ramifications of which are still bouncing around the Globe everyday. Airline managers wet their pants with excitement over this.
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Dragon69: really mate, you are so naive and short sighted it’s......well amazing.
What happened in ‘89 was the beginning of the end of Airline Pilot as a career anywhere in the World, the ramifications of which are still bouncing around the Globe everyday. Airline managers wet their pants with excitement over this.
What happened in ‘89 was the beginning of the end of Airline Pilot as a career anywhere in the World, the ramifications of which are still bouncing around the Globe everyday. Airline managers wet their pants with excitement over this.
Of course in your little mind you think that airline flying was invented and perfected down under, so naturally you would make the assumption that 1989 was the precipitous to a global change in the industry, but if you take the time and look beyond your arrogant blinkers, you would see that there's been plenty of unionised airlines that have fought back and brought about positive change.
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Dragon, the subject of '89' came up because a poster on this thread suggested a mass resignation a la 'that year. Yes, we know that it occurred over a quarter of a century ago, but it is the only major precedent for the mass resignation tactic. Quite rightly, a number of responders suggested that a similar tactic in Hong Kong would not end well.
Even though it involved a couple of pissant airlines down under, it had a profound effect globally for years, including solving crewing shortages for, inter alia, Swissair, Malaysian, Singapore, the Gulf airlines and of course Cathay Pacific. Australians became the Filipinos of the aviation industry. The 'grey wall' tactic of no communications with the pilots after the resignations is a response I am sure the industrial warfare consultants still have in their playbooks, along with the threat of legal action which led to the resignations in the first place.
Please indulge me, as I went through it all.
Even though it involved a couple of pissant airlines down under, it had a profound effect globally for years, including solving crewing shortages for, inter alia, Swissair, Malaysian, Singapore, the Gulf airlines and of course Cathay Pacific. Australians became the Filipinos of the aviation industry. The 'grey wall' tactic of no communications with the pilots after the resignations is a response I am sure the industrial warfare consultants still have in their playbooks, along with the threat of legal action which led to the resignations in the first place.
Please indulge me, as I went through it all.
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"Safety is our Number 1 priority" is their mantra.
Withdrawing a fundamental right to a decent home is inconsistent with their No1 priority. So either leave housing alone or see what the public thinks of a new mantra:
"Profits and reducing personnel ( sorry - 'people') costs to an absolute minimum is our No1 priority."
If you guys let this pass you deserve everything you get.
Withdrawing a fundamental right to a decent home is inconsistent with their No1 priority. So either leave housing alone or see what the public thinks of a new mantra:
"Profits and reducing personnel ( sorry - 'people') costs to an absolute minimum is our No1 priority."
If you guys let this pass you deserve everything you get.