Pilots win retirement age appeal
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That's brilliant! Well done boys, I'm sure there will be lots of NZ slots opening in the very near future. Watch this space for OZ to follow suit with a similar court case..... "I'm ok Jack" comes to mind.
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Poor young Xwind, can't serve his own needs by signing an inferior contract to circumvent the law.
Some people just don't get it nor ever will apparently
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It is important to remember that this whole mess is because of the way the management elect to manage.
If they really want to gain productively (cost per unit of work performed by employee) then at least halve the pilots should be based - at least from what I hear Jepp have been saying. Will CX do that?.....maybe. But it would mean complying with 1st world laws, not something the Swire pricks like to do.
If they really want to gain productively (cost per unit of work performed by employee) then at least halve the pilots should be based - at least from what I hear Jepp have been saying. Will CX do that?.....maybe. But it would mean complying with 1st world laws, not something the Swire pricks like to do.
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Agreed, but part of the requirement for continued employment as a pilot is to hold a valid licence. The medical forms part of the licence and HKG CAA won;t issue a Class 1 past 65. So in effect retirement does occur at 65.
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Oz is on-shored already. What court case is to follow? You don't seem to have much of a grasp of what is happening in the real world. Maybe too much hair gel.
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I agree it's good to get a win over the company but those NZ guys had the chance to sign over but they didn't and agreed to leave at 55 as per the original contract. Now they've been given permission to break that contract and it will probably f### anyone else wanting a base.
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I agree it's good to get a win over the company but those NZ guys had the chance to sign over but they didn't and agreed to leave at 55 as per the original contract. Now they've been given permission to break that contract and it will probably f### anyone else wanting a base.
who is the one breaking the law? who's to be blamed to break the law?
If there is a fault in the contract, why should one sign across to a new contract with diminished terms and conditions to suit the one creating the fault?
An employment contract is bounded to be a betterment or at least the same as per the requirement in the employment ordinance. If the signed contract is of any less than the employment ordinance, it is meant to be corrected. This is not breaking the contract.
Congratz to the guys in nz for winning the court case
and salute to them for standing up to fight for their own entitlement!
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I agree it's good to get a win over the company but those NZ guys had the chance to sign over but they didn't and agreed to leave at 55 as per the original contract. Now they've been given permission to break that contract and it will probably f### anyone else wanting a base.
If they can't compete on the same basis as the local legacy carriers sobeit.
As I mentioned in a previous post virgin and ba salaries for senior pilots are comparable with cx and all the expat benefits have been removed from based crews. So it's "a level playing field" re crew costs.
If that's not workable it would be a pretty sorry result.
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Xwindldg,
Maybe this result is the final nail in the coffin of bases. However, that will just be because of the small minded petty thinking that infests Hello Kitty City and should have nothing to do with this result.
What you are forgetting is that every base, apart from NZ, have contracts that are local law compliant. In Cathay language that is expressed as "on-shored". The kiwis still had in their COS that HK law applied. As kiwis tend to be, they were the odd ones out.
So yeah, the Company could spit the dummy and overreact, but it would just be another dumb decision to add to the long list of other dumb decisions....
Oil price dropping- hedge massively against rising oil prices. - doh....
Need 3 man, cancel RPs, get hit with TB, can't do 3 man except 252/253, let LHR base numbers drop so can't even do 252/253, still stuck with TB....doh....
Invest in CMP project, alienate IT staff, alienate pilots, CMP project delayed -doh....
Sign CBA with USAOA, overlook Kincare, try to shaft pilots on A-days, Kincare bites them in the @ss- doh.... Global pilot market tightens, T&Cs start to rise, email all your pilots threatening to cut their T&Cs... Let's see how that works out for them....
Maybe this result is the final nail in the coffin of bases. However, that will just be because of the small minded petty thinking that infests Hello Kitty City and should have nothing to do with this result.
What you are forgetting is that every base, apart from NZ, have contracts that are local law compliant. In Cathay language that is expressed as "on-shored". The kiwis still had in their COS that HK law applied. As kiwis tend to be, they were the odd ones out.
So yeah, the Company could spit the dummy and overreact, but it would just be another dumb decision to add to the long list of other dumb decisions....
Oil price dropping- hedge massively against rising oil prices. - doh....
Need 3 man, cancel RPs, get hit with TB, can't do 3 man except 252/253, let LHR base numbers drop so can't even do 252/253, still stuck with TB....doh....
Invest in CMP project, alienate IT staff, alienate pilots, CMP project delayed -doh....
Sign CBA with USAOA, overlook Kincare, try to shaft pilots on A-days, Kincare bites them in the @ss- doh.... Global pilot market tightens, T&Cs start to rise, email all your pilots threatening to cut their T&Cs... Let's see how that works out for them....
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Xwingldg, take heed of what some of the senior pilots in this airline are saying. Continue to agree and sign to lesser conditions and you'll only have yourself to blame. Nothing is more annoying than hearing people on a lesser CoS complain when they signed after reading the contract they were offered. Nobody put a gun to your head and you chose to come to Cathay on your own accord - you were not invited.
Clearly you haven't been here long enough.
Shep / Traf- well said
Clearly you haven't been here long enough.
Shep / Traf- well said
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Xwingldg, take heed of what some of the senior pilots in this airline are saying. Continue to agree and sign to lesser conditions and you'll only have yourself to blame. Nothing is more annoying than hearing people on a lesser CoS complain when they signed after reading the contract they were offered. Nobody put a gun to your head and you chose to come to Cathay on your own accord - you were not invited.
Clearly you haven't been here long enough.
Shep / Traf- well said
Clearly you haven't been here long enough.
Shep / Traf- well said
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Yes. It's just like smoking. Back in the 60's, the bad health effects weren't really understood....now, there is no excuse. Same with our contracts: back in the 90's we were pretty naive....now, there is no excuse. Whatever the company tries to 'bribe' the more junior pilots with, they will eventually take away. Either we learn from history or we will continue to descend to the level of an asian LCC. We are pretty close to that point now. All any of you need to focus on is simply this: any concessions from the pilots will mean the dollars taken from you and your families will be put straight into the pockets of our managers. THAT is the reason for the 'grinning idiot' photo every friday.
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Originally Posted by Xwindldg View Post
Final nail in the coffin for new bases then. Love how these guys took a base knowing exactly what the terms of the contract were, now they do this and give a big f### you to anyone else who might have wanted a base one day.
Final nail in the coffin for new bases then. Love how these guys took a base knowing exactly what the terms of the contract were, now they do this and give a big f### you to anyone else who might have wanted a base one day.
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Only hope the company doesn't use its normal spiteful manner and close the base even though that might be more expensive for those that choose to move back but that might be offset by the few that take redundancy. Time will tell I guess
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Actually
Just passing on a message from a mate
A big FU from all HKG based AOA members who commute for all the jumpseat requests that go nowhere
Especially to the Cantabrian who hands out jumpseats to "better looking "cabin crew .
Awesome Kiwis
The words stingy come to mind ...
Just passing on a message from a mate
A big FU from all HKG based AOA members who commute for all the jumpseat requests that go nowhere
Especially to the Cantabrian who hands out jumpseats to "better looking "cabin crew .
Awesome Kiwis
The words stingy come to mind ...
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Maybe kiwicx maybe , but is it possible kiwicx cpts dont give a f##k about the rest ? The complaint dont come from one , but quite a few ....
What , dont have the company ipad ?
Anyway who the hell wants to work for cx post 55 anyway ? Goodnight and goodluck !
What , dont have the company ipad ?
Anyway who the hell wants to work for cx post 55 anyway ? Goodnight and goodluck !