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Old 9th Oct 2017, 08:50
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Pass it on
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Old 13th Oct 2017, 03:42
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Dear Peter,

I am still trying to digest the contents of the letter you sent out to your trainers yesterday.

Here are a few thoughts for your very own perusal:

First of, If you now ask your trainers to calm the troops, it would have helped hugely to inform us a bit earlier of this incoming corporate '****-sandwich'.

Sorry for being a bit 'emotional' now ourselves, but you probably knew of this mess a bit earlier than reading it in Anna's Friday drivel recently, didn't you?!

Because now, you will also have to deal with a very large group of very disgruntled trainers as well.

Good luck with that.

Secondly, and more importantly: Trainers are pilots. First and foremost.

If you wish to buy our souls, it'll cost you a bit more than the pathetic 10% increment you are paying us at the moment.

Any attempt to pay us 'by-the-hour' like some 'uber-jockeys' will lead to the annihilation of your training department.

Trust me on that.

And lastly, when the jet is on fire, you do NOT 'wind your clock' and sit on your hands to contemplate about life.... you act!

We will act. Rest assured, Peter!
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I have resisted resigning from training for this very eventuality. You can be certain that any change to my housing, my pension pay or training pay will result in one less trainer. You can also be assured that nearly every one of my colleagues plans on taking the same action.
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Old 13th Oct 2017, 05:15
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Excellent news AP.
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I will also state with clarity. Above 90% of the people I have flown with this year have stated to me that they are making certain plans to leave. Two trips ago, all three of my crew were doing so imminently. Talk amongst my colleagues reveals the same results. It seems to have escaped senior managements notice that not only are there a multitude of jobs available worldwide, but they don't involve living in a shoe box breathing toxic air and paying hideous prices for basics, such as food. CX has finally pushed their luck too far, and have now opened Pandora's box. Good luck getting that lid closed.
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Old 13th Oct 2017, 05:38
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And btw. If you have any doubts about the above Anna, perhaps consider that pilots with 11 years seniority, just about to start a Command, would rather leave and start over somewhere else. There has to be something very toxic in this workplace to reach that decision. You are doing an amazing job.
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Old 13th Oct 2017, 06:16
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I believe the above when I see it .

Of note is that Cathay Dragon pilots have just received the latest doom and gloom email from Frau Anna :
We must improve returns for shareholders.
We must improve productivity.
We must cut FOP costs.

Lets start with the KA DFO.
2 million hk$ bonus last year. The current incumbent is already licking his lips. And his he1per$.

For the record, The ka HPS is contractually binding. The Ka Rental assistance is contractual. There are less than 200 pilots on this scheme in KA. But most are LHS. And all are a potential hornets nest.

So please CX, foxtrot Oscar. I dont give a flying fu(k about your pax seat revenues. Your stats and pointless graphs.

Its all about your greed for shareholders. And im not buying it . Not for one minute.
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Old 13th Oct 2017, 06:32
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I resigned. I know my colleagues are planning the same. ARAPA for all or there will be no training department left.
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Old 13th Oct 2017, 11:43
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What if they increase it for the trainers, and decrease it for the line guys? Then what do you do?
You remain in training and have no buds or you resign from training, in which case I bet the #untz will say you must leave the company.
Great choices.

Oh I forgot: "Time to win".
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Old 13th Oct 2017, 12:19
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Re: Peters Letter

Please, do you really think "PC" has any gravitas at all ??? He is nothing more than an ex cadet who as sucked and bullied his way to the top and is now simply a nascient bootlicker who spends most of his time dry humping the DFOs pantsuit leg...
Absolutely pathetic that anyone up there on the 3rd step to DFO Heaven or higher up even asks for his advice. Just shows you how far down the rabbit hole this place has sunk..
It's embarrassing, he's embarrassing, GMFs embarrassing, GMLOs embarrassing and they all give "advice" to DFO. I can't begin to articulate and pen my thoughts on the DFO..
The local Circle K has a better management structure...
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Old 13th Oct 2017, 12:24
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ALL FOP's managers have been guaranteed their packages will not be affected by next years cuts. For PC to write that he is affected by the proposed ARAPA cuts just like everyone else is ridiculous.
Tonight's impromptu C&T get together at Dacha is just a fact finding mission from management to test the water first hand.
Any free drinks bought will be on the company credit card and that says it all.
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Old 17th Oct 2017, 16:00
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Old 18th Oct 2017, 09:19
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It's "fillipina", and her family isn't so big, not really. And Ireland's warm, right?
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Old 18th Oct 2017, 10:04
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There are Filipina girls in the Faeroes and Reykjavik. Positively tropical by comparison.
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Old 18th Oct 2017, 12:39
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Still, might be worth it for UK passport holders wanting to avoid Brexit issues. In a couple of years, they are shut out of working for non UK airlines is the expectation. If you apply now, might get residency/ right to work in the EU grandfathered in, and fast track to a EU passport

72k euro will probably look quite good in pounds in time...

Of course, given the uncertainty over Brexit, EI might not want to take UK passport holders anyway
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Old 18th Oct 2017, 13:32
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There are Filipina girls in the Faeroes and Reykjavik. Positively tropical by comparison.
They are everywhere.

Always talk about 'Pinoy pride' but are quick to abandoned their motherland.
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Old 18th Oct 2017, 22:51
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Aer Lingus is, of course, essentially a LCC. Once a great job, went the way of all SOE’s and became bloated and inefficient requiring regular govt intervention. So totally f@cked over by Joyce, who when finished transplanted the same skills to QF and Jetstar.
As to Pinoy pride, surely they are just trying to better themselves ?
Economic migration; drives much of the various diasporas happening around the world. The LCC on our doorstep has plenty of examples of them.
Grandfathered EU passport. ? Not really how it works !
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Old 20th Oct 2017, 10:37
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I think AT needs group hug....lets hold hands sing Kumbaya until the crisis is over...Don't you feel good now.(hahaha- idiots)
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Old 23rd Oct 2017, 16:29
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Really, Anna?

You truly believe, that shutting down a roadshow of a tiny recruitment agency will make any difference?

The floodgates are open.

We are walking. CX is history.
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Old 23rd Oct 2017, 16:42
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It truly shows the depths of their panic. All they've done is highlight the true state of resignations (if there wasn't a problem, why worry about a road show?). As FUANNA says above, MANY are walking (running) and the numbers will soon be debilitating. Anyone who has the chance of a decent career with a home airline would be mad to pass up the opportunity. Or would we be better off chancing our careers/families to the 'good graces' of what is now a proven management inhabited by people who's only management skills are intimidation and lies? :/ Turn the lights out Anna on your way out the door. You will be the only one left here to do so....
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