Dragon KA8348 Turned Around Mid-Flight Because Pilot Forgot His Map
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What about the pax?
If you didn't check the plates for your one off charter flight and only realise that you don't have them half way.....
Why not carry on to one of the other ports you frequent and send a message to Ops on the way to have the charts waiting for you on arrival. Quick top up, check the charts and off you go ( providing in hours of course )
Minor disruption for your paying passengers but at least you get them to destination.
If you didn't check the plates for your one off charter flight and only realise that you don't have them half way.....
Why not carry on to one of the other ports you frequent and send a message to Ops on the way to have the charts waiting for you on arrival. Quick top up, check the charts and off you go ( providing in hours of course )
Minor disruption for your paying passengers but at least you get them to destination.
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Departing for a charter to offline ports and not making sure the charts are in the book onboard at pre-flight?
'It's the airlines responsibility..., the company system failed'.
Are we pilots not part of the airlines and the company system nowadays?
What about the poor passengers, our customers?
'It's the airlines responsibility..., the company system failed'.
Are we pilots not part of the airlines and the company system nowadays?
What about the poor passengers, our customers?
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How about checking the charts onboard during pre-flight?
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For a professional pilot I think it's probably a better choice being a ''schmuck', report early and do the job professionally than ending up a schlemiel.
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And you have hit the nail on the head - there are more schmucks than professionals nowadays. Gone are the days when the reliable chap(ess) would ensure a pad existed between leaving home, arriving at work (a work day) and 'signing on' to allow for the vagaries of travel and utilise the 'spare' time to do a bit of route study. No, we've (mostly) joined the socialist mainstream and only do what is necessary and rush to the bottom of the professional ladder. In fact, it is no longer a profession, merely a job - and you cannot blame the suits for that one.
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I left my last job with 60 days leave/overtime to be converted into leave I never took and I have not one regret. Then I came here and after being screwed in every possible way I finally sadly realised this is a job. I had never said "I am going to work" before in my life, maybe "I am going to the airport" on a bad day, but then I started ! So don't give me, or many of us probably, this socialism mainstream condescending, patronising rubbish. Don't you dare implying we are not professionals or not acting likewise.
You may have come here on a different era and the company might have good to you, not to me and many of us with a number of years left in their career.
They pay the bills and that is all I am going to work for, at least for the foreseeable future.
BTW this was about what happened at KA and even though we don't know what happened the pundits are talking.
You may have come here on a different era and the company might have good to you, not to me and many of us with a number of years left in their career.
They pay the bills and that is all I am going to work for, at least for the foreseeable future.
BTW this was about what happened at KA and even though we don't know what happened the pundits are talking.
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To me this kinda rings of the (possibly embellished) Quantas ditch vs autoland at a field below mins story.
That's why the OP seemed kinda screwy to me. Looked more like a cover story for something else which happened. If you look at the comedy of errors that had to happen and the comedy of actions which followed it just doesn't seem all that plausible. So I think something else might have been afoot.
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To a370 on behalf of his colleagues
Yes I have the jumpseat APP on my personal iPad as do many others so we can HELP OUR FELLOW PILOTS AND THEIR FAMILIES.
There are many ways to demonstrate frustration or apply pressure to protect our deserved term and and conditions but missing an opportunity to help your mates in the name of punishing a faceless system who couldn't give a crap isn't one of them.
Please Mate, and anyone else adopting this stance, have a think about who you're hurting. (If you don't actually have the personal hardware, fair enough but that's not many folk these days)
There are many ways to demonstrate frustration or apply pressure to protect our deserved term and and conditions but missing an opportunity to help your mates in the name of punishing a faceless system who couldn't give a crap isn't one of them.
Please Mate, and anyone else adopting this stance, have a think about who you're hurting. (If you don't actually have the personal hardware, fair enough but that's not many folk these days)
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Does Dragonair supply their pilots with a Checklist of Plates and currency dates?
If you are required to check the plates before departure - how do you actually do it?
In other words, is there a formal and defined system, or is it just a quick flick through the book to see it the appropriate airports are somewhere in there?
If you are required to check the plates before departure - how do you actually do it?
In other words, is there a formal and defined system, or is it just a quick flick through the book to see it the appropriate airports are somewhere in there?
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Does Dragonair supply their pilots with a Checklist of Plates and currency dates?
If you are required to check the plates before departure - how do you actually do it?
In other words, is there a formal and defined system, or is it just a quick flick through the book to see it the appropriate airports are somewhere in there?
If you are required to check the plates before departure - how do you actually do it?
In other words, is there a formal and defined system, or is it just a quick flick through the book to see it the appropriate airports are somewhere in there?
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