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40 % pay raise at HKA

Old 29th May 2017, 14:03
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40 % pay raise at HKA

Good evening all..

My friend told me that HKA had a pay review today and they offered some 40% pay raise! Is it true?

If so, this would be on par with CX B- scale, isn't?
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Old 29th May 2017, 18:09
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Haha

There's always one - and they let you fly airplanes!
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Old 30th May 2017, 04:30
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I heard they are going to deal privately with their prospects. Standard C is the best they can offer.
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Old 30th May 2017, 05:13
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IF Hainan did approve the fund (which numerically is just the offset from the hainan airline's expat pay compared to HKA's pilot Salary - not honouring seniority and taking direct entry is so much cheaper philosophy)

THEN IF HKA HR further allow the pilot group that are already getting significantly higher salary than HR for sitting in the cockpit doing fack all (and if those pilot individuals sitting there doing fack all can still managing to create incidents and accidents, HR will surely penalise them by taking percentile of the bonus from the offenders and) yet still granting the parent company's fund towards the "pilots"

THEN historically, Someone would first take a generous fair cut of 95% of that big pie assigning to the training department related group, leaving the 5% of the pie spread for the remaining pilot group. and would probably take 3 attorneys 6 months to proof read and printing "at the sole and absolute discretion of the company" at every bullet point on the CoS that are benefits related, because the HR facked up for the last CoS stating paying by duty but not honouring it (did HR just mistakenly fack up and have no bonus deducted again?), but guess what that CoS is now history and dusted. The resultant RISE won't be so significant that they will issue you a letter acknowledging for the fact you would get 3% of the basic salary (basic salary is approximately 40% of your normal salary pay), approximately being one's normal salary's +1.2% subject to conditions such as checked to line with sufficient time on line, no warning, no fack ups, no violations and of course at the sole and absolute discretion of the company. And then and only then the god almighty HR have to be thanked and bowed by the FOP as HR know much more about aviation safety, FTL, fatique than FOP.
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Old 30th May 2017, 05:55
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Could someone PLEASE decipher that....??
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Old 30th May 2017, 07:09
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Misunderstanding, no big improving at this moment. Also, heard that quite good responding in S.Africa boys/gals eager to join !
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Old 30th May 2017, 07:18
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And therein lies the problem: there is always a pool of pilots from some downtrodden country (sorry SA...a place I personally love) that are willing to come on the lower terms. Because of that, the rest of you can forget the pay rise. Until pilots start insisting on proper terms and conditions, the terms will continue to deteriorate. Sad but true.
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Old 30th May 2017, 08:37
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This is globalisation as a whole
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Old 30th May 2017, 08:43
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Or be lucky enough to be born with right passport, allowing a job in a home market that pays well & doesn't allow expats/ immigrants to come & reduce wages. So basically the US
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Old 30th May 2017, 09:19
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Double confirmed with 2 HKA friends. Just 3% pay raise recently. 40% was from April fool
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Old 30th May 2017, 12:27
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Until pilots start insisting on proper terms and conditions, the terms will continue to deteriorate. Sad but true.
Times have changed and pilots haven't adapted. The airlines have!

SENIORITY is now the root of all evil (the golden handcuffs are now iron thanks to airlines adapting).

We need to be free agents allowed to chase big shiny jets, $$$ or lifestyle (live in the location you want or leave at the drop of a hat - 3 months notice or less).

It will then be the airlines responsibility to maintain said shiny jets, $$$ or lifestyle plus the need to maintain SAFETY otherwise training costs and aircraft type courses will be the brunt of airline costs!!!

Forget this Captain FO crap, left seat conversion after xyz hours and the PILOT with the most experience is rostered the left seat with the associated credit ($$ or factoring).

Face it, a pilots timeline basically goes, want a big shiny jet, until you want money and then can afford to choose lifestyle, plus or minus a few caveats (kids, health, divorce, lifestyle, age etc).

Until we drop seniority pilots will undercut pilots, without it airlines would have to fight each other to maintain pilots, make it the airlines problem and not ours!
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Old 30th May 2017, 14:33
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Forget this Captain FO crap, left seat conversion after xyz hours and the PILOT with the most experience is rostered the left seat with the associated credit ($$ or factoring).
I'm not quite sure what you mean by the above. Everyone is left seat rated after x hours on type and then the pilot with most experience sits in lef seat and is designated Captain on the day?
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Old 31st May 2017, 09:28
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You again......
From what I've heard from a very reliable little Birdy deep within HKA the place is not exactly running smoothly in regards to standards.........
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Old 29th Jun 2017, 05:04
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40, it's gen.
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Old 30th Jun 2017, 01:13
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I think the A350 arrival and recruitment will spice things up a bit locally. Im convinced that a number of cashed up KA pilots would love to join on A350Long haul. There's a particular bearded A330 trainer who comes to mind. Just what you want , the KA training department shifting its antiquated philosophies to HKA!
I think the upcoming process of reporting direct to the aircraft is a masterstroke of pilot retention. The management survey of a few years ago showed that KA pilots were more satisfied with their jobs if they could avoid management interaction. No more KA House has bought a few years for many !
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