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CX Top Gun Part 2

Old 24th Apr 2017, 18:08
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CX Top Gun Part 2

A true Yammer hero... Just do your job and STFU about it!


Flying back from MEL to HKG at FL380, I was about to finish my rest when the cabin crew woke me up to say the flight deck needed me. On my return I found out that one of our passengers was suffering from chest pains and had difficulty breathing. It was F/O’s rest so I said I’ll take over and he could rest and if needed, we will call him later for a possible diversion to CEBU if needed within the next 60 min.

A Dr had been paged and the ISM and SP entered the flight deck and advised us that they had tried to contact Med link but were not successful as the SATCOM in the cabin was not working. We told them to use the flight deck SATCOM which the S/O efficiently set up for them, handled the connection and reminded SP how to use the mic. Contact with MEDLINK was successful and a range of drugs were advised. The onboard Dr administered the drugs and on completion wanted to talk directly to MEDLINK as he felt the passenger had just suffered a mild heart attack and he needed / wanted more clarification.

As the Satcom in the cabin was not working this left us with a dilemma - How does the Dr talk directly to MEDLINK without braking(sp) company policy and entering the flight deck in flight?

We ascertained that the patient was in a stabile condition after discussion with the Dr, but he still needed to say something to MEDLINK as he had a concern.

I asked the crew to wake up F/O. I asked F/O to please sit on the flight deck incase the medical condition deteriorated and I had no choice but to divert and get the Dr up to talk to the MEDLINK Drs. FO was an insurance package incase this Dr was part of some large sinister scheme - I needed some kind of back up plan.

With FO on the flight deck, SP, and the ISM I decided to first call IOC and get approval for the Dr to communicate with MEDLINK via the flight deck SAT phone. I needed to go through the correct channels first as the passenger was not in a critical condition and there was time.

The reply came back from IOC that he was not allowed onto the flight deck to talk to MEDLINK. This was the correct reply as discussed with the duty manager the situation was not critical, so we needed another plan.

I asked if we could relay messages from the Dr on the jet to the Drs on the GND in Phoenix. This I knew was a communication boo boo, but had no option as the Dr still needed to talk to MEDLINK. As the Dr was english speaking I asked FO or SP to take notes. FO went back and took very detailed notes from the Dr. He then returned to the flight deck to brief me so I could relay to MEDLINK. As there would have been ANOTHER level to the communication, I told FO (CN training in 3 weeks) to call MEDLINK and pass on all the information that the Dr onboard needed to say.

I asked the crew on the flight deck if I may non standard record the conversation as FO spoke and also the reply from the Dr in Phoenix. I got their approval and this way the Dr on board could listen to the send message and receive message first hand for himself - We had just removed the flight deck door without unlocking it. (A bit out of the box i guess).

This letter is to highlight the wonderful CRM my entire crew displayed today.

As some crew were dealing with the sick passenger, others were absorbing their workload by serving and keeping the remaining passengers happy during a meal service. 5 cabin crew served the entire jet starters, dinner, desert and tea / coffee.

After the flight we all debriefed as a crew - I was proud to be the captain on that flight.

The communication between the ISM, The SP, and the flight deck was amazing.
IOC was clear and concise and went into tracking mode to follow us and provide support.
The Duty manager spoke to me directly on a phone patch and we supported each other well.
FO took charge of the cabin communication like a true captain and I have no doubt his command will be a walk in the park with his leadership skills shown today.
ISM was cool and collect. She streamlined the operation by taking control, the radios and finding references in the OPS A with ease. (She is similar to Google on legs..Smart)

If possible please could someone from IOC, ISD and Flight OPS say a word of thanks to these truly amazing people.
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Old 24th Apr 2017, 21:55
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Why are you reading yammer???

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Old 24th Apr 2017, 22:09
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Not again....

Please tell me this will be on youtube?
Wait I'll get the popcorn.
Self effacing? I'd say no
Maybe not a heart issue so much as an 'I' problem.

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Old 24th Apr 2017, 22:47
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Virtue signalling at its finest!
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I remember when having a beer at the Cathay Club at Kai Tak was all that was needed after a job well done...
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Old 25th Apr 2017, 00:29
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Well, all I can add is ...

"The singularly distinctive accomplishments of [insert crew here] reflects great credit upon themselves and Cathay Pacific Airways limited."
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Old 25th Apr 2017, 00:50
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Well, on further reflection, all I can say is....
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This is my favourite part!

The communication between the ISM, The SP, and the flight deck was amazing.
IOC was clear and concise and went into tracking mode to follow us and provide support.
The Duty manager spoke to me directly on a phone patch and we supported each other well.
FO took charge of the cabin communication like a true captain and I have no doubt his command will be a walk in the park with his leadership skills shown today.
ISM was cool and collect. She streamlined the operation by taking control, the radios and finding references in the OPS A with ease. (She is similar to Google on legs..Smart)


.....communication was AMAZING
.....FO took charge like a 'true captain' (huh ???)
.....ISM was cool and collect (probably a 'clue' as to the nationality of said Commander)


This airline is becoming a satirical joke. This is embarrassing. Would someone PLEASE shut down our online comms as it is becoming a window into our immaturity and dysfunction. Can we please wear paper bags over our heads when we come to work, please.
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Old 25th Apr 2017, 01:03
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I'm not with CX but I am very concerned that the PILOT IN COMMAND cannot make the decision to allow someone on the flight deck to talk to the specialist backup (Medlink).

How can someone sitting safely in an office far away override the PIC's command authority to ensure the safety of the aircraft, passengers and crew. I wonder who would be thrown under the bus had the passenger died due to the fact that incorrect/incomplete info was relayed. I can bet it would not be the desk jockey sitting comfortably at IOC.

This trend seems to be accelerating worldwide, the PIC is responsible for the safety etc etc but is not given full freedom to exercise this responsibility.

Ridiculous!
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Old 25th Apr 2017, 01:09
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Lots of love on that flight deck. Lots.

Wish I could have been there.

I too am an amazing communicator.

Someone needs to get these guys a medal, or at least a plastic replica.
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So what happened? Someone got sick, medical attention given, flight continued.
No need to write a book about it.

Embarrassing.
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Why are you reading yammer???
+1 to you kind sir!
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Old 25th Apr 2017, 02:13
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Maybe the Captain should stick to making a mess in a cooler box.....
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Old 25th Apr 2017, 02:18
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You have to know this Captain. He already has a YouTube video of himself preparing to go to work at Cathay and how great he is. Guess he is desperate for a Betsy award
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Old 25th Apr 2017, 02:21
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Originally Posted by gtseraf
I wonder who would be thrown under the bus had the passenger died due to the fact that incorrect/incomplete info was relayed. I can bet it would not be the desk jockey sitting comfortably at IOC.

This trend seems to be accelerating worldwide, the PIC is responsible for the safety etc etc but is not given full freedom to exercise this responsibility.

Ridiculous!
The passenger would have died in compliance with the memo.
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And so , to summarise , " I did my job, several others did their job". It is not just labradors that need an occasional pat on the head.
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Following on from this incident I had the following forwarded to me yesterday:

I had a similar story recently. I took off from Bangkok, engaged the autopilot. It did a fantastic job of managing the flight profile. I let it handle everything until about 500' in HK where I took over and landed. I'd like to nominate AP1 for a Betsy award.

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So, I guess all you need to breach a cockpit these days are:
1) A guy to pretend to have chest pains,
2) A guy pretending to be a doctor who says that SATCOM isn't working in the back, and
3) A moron, self-loving captain that lets him into the cockpit!

Nice!
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Originally Posted by Pogie
So, I guess all you need to breach a cockpit these days are:
1) A guy to pretend to have chest pains,
2) A guy pretending to be a doctor who says that SATCOM isn't working in the back, and
3) A moron, self-loving captain that lets him into the cockpit!

Nice!
... And then some jackass writes the plot on a public forum. Oh wait!
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Old 25th Apr 2017, 11:26
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God almighty the old "our SATCOM isn't working" again.

I have seen this a few times. The CC are trying to avoid being in the spotlight and want to delegate the conversation with Medlink upwards to the Flight Deck.

Remember theirs is a culture whereby if you never make a decision you can never be wrong.

Seen it numerous times.
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