Yet more evidence that CX is mismanaged
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You felt it was a mistake at the time? You know what son, you are entitilled to your pacifistic opinions. Even though I'm starting to get a little tired of them.
But could you please change your name, or make up a new one. It really P1sses me off. How about "On the Fence", " White flag". Anything other than Trafalgar.
But could you please change your name, or make up a new one. It really P1sses me off. How about "On the Fence", " White flag". Anything other than Trafalgar.
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Calling bullsh1t on that statement Trafalgar. The demise of pilot conditions started when Eddington used his newly minted MBA to corporatise CX effectively taking pilots from quasi management to the ranks of the employees. The procession of narcissistic idiots that followed just included us in the "screw the employees to the wall" mantra Swire specialise in.
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Betpump. I think a review of my many posts will debunk your claim that i'm a 'pacifist'. I am entitled to my opinion however regarding that particular point in history. My gut feeling at the time was that there would be a huge fallout, and I believe we are still suffering from that. I believe the company is 95% to blame for all of our ills, but that was one time I think we committed an 'own goal'. You seem to take my opinion personally. Where you part of the committee that make that decision at the time?
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Mr Did. Fair comment. I still personally believe that the gloves came off completely after that particular episode. I'm not suggesting the company was fair or right in doing so, just that I believe we gave them an excuse that we could have avoided. Again, we are all entitled to our opinions. That happens to be mine.
I was also there in the 'good old days' and indeed can add my own personal anecdotes about Rod Eddington. Similar to the relationships that the Swires had with the pilots, Rod lived in the same block of flats as us and he regularly socialised with the pilot / F/E group with no seeming animus towards us. Admittedly with a slight bias towards our Antipodean cousins but nevertheless if he was a 'pilot hater' he never showed it. I guess about that time Cathay entered the world of global airline players and the rules changed. Also the 49er issue damaged the relationship for good.
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No i wasn't part of the committee at the time. However my opinion is that if we are in a situation, like Contract Compliance, or whatever you want to call it at different times during our History, then it's because we had no choice. Our hand was forced. Its not like we are doing it for Sh!ts and giggles. Therefore unless something of cataclysmic proportions has the company at a make-or-break position, then no union "action" should ever be withdrawn.
The grounding of the A330s is like Typhoon Signal 8. Non event in my eyes. I.e there should be no withdrawal of Union Action. It's moments like this when we really show the Company what Goodwill they are abusing and why we withdrew it.
Therefore my opinion is that you saying "it was a mistake" makes you a pacifist. But like I acknowledged, you are entitles to your opinion.
No i wasn't part of the committee at the time. However my opinion is that if we are in a situation, like Contract Compliance, or whatever you want to call it at different times during our History, then it's because we had no choice. Our hand was forced. Its not like we are doing it for Sh!ts and giggles. Therefore unless something of cataclysmic proportions has the company at a make-or-break position, then no union "action" should ever be withdrawn.
The grounding of the A330s is like Typhoon Signal 8. Non event in my eyes. I.e there should be no withdrawal of Union Action. It's moments like this when we really show the Company what Goodwill they are abusing and why we withdrew it.
Therefore my opinion is that you saying "it was a mistake" makes you a pacifist. But like I acknowledged, you are entitles to your opinion.
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If we are going back that far - then some of the attitudes held about the ab initio cadet scheme - "Yan can't fly" - etc were also a mistake. Not just because they were flat out racist, but because as local management became increasingly powerful, they held a grudge.
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No i wasn't part of the committee at the time. However my opinion is that if we are in a situation, like Contract Compliance, or whatever you want to call it at different times during our History, then it's because we had no choice. Our hand was forced. Its not like we are doing it for Sh!ts and giggles. Therefore unless something of cataclysmic proportions has the company at a make-or-break position, then no union "action" should ever be withdrawn.
The grounding of the A330s is like Typhoon Signal 8. Non event in my eyes. I.e there should be no withdrawal of Union Action. It's moments like this when we really show the Company what Goodwill they are abusing and why we withdrew it.
Therefore my opinion is that you saying "it was a mistake" makes you a pacifist. But like I acknowledged, you are entitles to your opinion.
No i wasn't part of the committee at the time. However my opinion is that if we are in a situation, like Contract Compliance, or whatever you want to call it at different times during our History, then it's because we had no choice. Our hand was forced. Its not like we are doing it for Sh!ts and giggles. Therefore unless something of cataclysmic proportions has the company at a make-or-break position, then no union "action" should ever be withdrawn.
The grounding of the A330s is like Typhoon Signal 8. Non event in my eyes. I.e there should be no withdrawal of Union Action. It's moments like this when we really show the Company what Goodwill they are abusing and why we withdrew it.
Therefore my opinion is that you saying "it was a mistake" makes you a pacifist. But like I acknowledged, you are entitles to your opinion.
They can burn the airline down before I'll ever vote to help this crowd with goodwill.
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New Structure
Is it me or has anybody else noticed that in the Time to Win new "Project Altitude" management structure there are NOlonger type specific Training Offices...
Were all the same right? Boeing identical to Airbus right ??
Who was responsible for the "Project Altitude" - GMLO ! So this goes to his thoughts and attitude toward training and in particular getting rid of the word Airbus one more time as the Boeing Pimp who can't stand that the "Senior Flee" is no longer, slowly eats away at fleet independence and infrastructure.
Boeing / Airbus. same same... why would you need fleet specific Training ??
Were all the same right? Boeing identical to Airbus right ??
Who was responsible for the "Project Altitude" - GMLO ! So this goes to his thoughts and attitude toward training and in particular getting rid of the word Airbus one more time as the Boeing Pimp who can't stand that the "Senior Flee" is no longer, slowly eats away at fleet independence and infrastructure.
Boeing / Airbus. same same... why would you need fleet specific Training ??
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Why did he allow the bean counters and associated dickheads to take over the running (ruining) of this Once Great Airline?
Nah. Most companies don't last but a few generations. It's baked into the cake. Look through stock listings from the 1920s and see how many of those rode out the 20th century. Hardly any. Coca Cola is a statistical freak. Most companies are just the right person in the right place at the right time with the right idea and ride the trend. Cathay was such a thing. Developed a monopoly in a market right next to the largest dormant economy on the planet just when Hong Kong mattered to the commies, then rode that trend to its logical conclusion. Now for the first time in its existence they need real leadership, not just rent-seeking opportunists who talk a good game... and they've been found wanting.
Was obvious to anyone paying attention at all as since the early 2000s that CX had peaked and had commenced the long downward death spiral. All the "expansion" bs and shiny new jets was just putting lipstick on a pig. Everything ever since then has only confirmed this. The Herringbone seating catastrophe... cost us 40% of our core business class revenue base... the entire management team signed on to that garbage. Anyone ever sacked for that? Course not. The fuel hedging.... pfffff.... everyone knows the score on that.... and the hundreds of other large and small screw-ups. Being bean-counted to death over salt and pepper shakers while we dump billions in fuel over the South China Sea every day flying in circles because no one could see this coming... it's wilfull incompetence... and plenty of blame to go around for all... and on it goes....
Still, institutions die slow painful deaths. The brand could last another few decades and still churn out revenue for stakeholders... but it wont be pretty. Flying cattle cars for mainland peasants. Have fun with it. As an old platoon sergeant used to say... "This is as good as it ever gets."
How right he was.
Why did he allow the bean counters and associated dickheads to take over the running (ruining) of this Once Great Airline?
Nah. Most companies don't last but a few generations. It's baked into the cake. Look through stock listings from the 1920s and see how many of those rode out the 20th century. Hardly any. Coca Cola is a statistical freak. Most companies are just the right person in the right place at the right time with the right idea and ride the trend. Cathay was such a thing. Developed a monopoly in a market right next to the largest dormant economy on the planet just when Hong Kong mattered to the commies, then rode that trend to its logical conclusion. Now for the first time in its existence they need real leadership, not just rent-seeking opportunists who talk a good game... and they've been found wanting.
Was obvious to anyone paying attention at all as since the early 2000s that CX had peaked and had commenced the long downward death spiral. All the "expansion" bs and shiny new jets was just putting lipstick on a pig. Everything ever since then has only confirmed this. The Herringbone seating catastrophe... cost us 40% of our core business class revenue base... the entire management team signed on to that garbage. Anyone ever sacked for that? Course not. The fuel hedging.... pfffff.... everyone knows the score on that.... and the hundreds of other large and small screw-ups. Being bean-counted to death over salt and pepper shakers while we dump billions in fuel over the South China Sea every day flying in circles because no one could see this coming... it's wilfull incompetence... and plenty of blame to go around for all... and on it goes....
Still, institutions die slow painful deaths. The brand could last another few decades and still churn out revenue for stakeholders... but it wont be pretty. Flying cattle cars for mainland peasants. Have fun with it. As an old platoon sergeant used to say... "This is as good as it ever gets."
How right he was.
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Is it me or has anybody else noticed that in the Time to Win new "Project Altitude" management structure there are NOlonger type specific Training Offices...
I hear there are plenty of SO's volunteering time in the office as well. Perhaps they have aspirations to be a DCP/CP as an SO? Right people for the job? I am sure their pitiful aviation management diplomas will serve them well!
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If Slosar got a passport anywhere my guess it would be Panama as rumour would have it to (hide) deposit all the money (skimmed) saved from the tax man, US and all others. Tricks learned by on the job training at Swires..
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And down we go
Next up, a "Brushwinger" as "Head" of Pilots. Don't need one for each fleet - we're all the same right?
If you don't think this all goes to show EXACTLY what the Swire corporate elites think of pilots (the well remunerated, highly experienced responsible types with integrity) then you're not seeing the big picture. They don't care, they want all that at ½ the cost.
They aint finished yet....
The really soul destroying part is the Cuck's that have in the past and are certainly up there right now helping them along. You know who they are
If you don't think this all goes to show EXACTLY what the Swire corporate elites think of pilots (the well remunerated, highly experienced responsible types with integrity) then you're not seeing the big picture. They don't care, they want all that at ½ the cost.
They aint finished yet....
The really soul destroying part is the Cuck's that have in the past and are certainly up there right now helping them along. You know who they are
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Many of them have returned with glee as senior SI's + the "Head" of Simulators..
There are words for this but I'm just not articulate enough to reflect my actual thoughts on these types of people...
There are words for this but I'm just not articulate enough to reflect my actual thoughts on these types of people...
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