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Old 16th Aug 2017, 11:21
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Originally Posted by cyrex
It is extremely weird and funny to see whenever I mentioned I voted YES for the deal during a flight, 99% of the people said they voted YES as well.
I see all the naive and gullible fools are out again. Even Trump's tweets are more intelligent than the above comment.
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Old 16th Aug 2017, 12:22
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Because the vote didn't go through, with the pay rise as it was, and/or hkpa, most of us will have to work a year or two more at the end of our careers for the same money. Dumb pilots.

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Old 16th Aug 2017, 12:58
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Those results are "get rid of housing" type results.

If ever they had an excuse, now is it

lol, should've voted it through
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Old 16th Aug 2017, 13:00
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The company and it's cretinous managers have stripped all value out of what was once arguably the most admired airline on earth. Now, having destroyed the chance of profit sharing for their staff (last decent payment a decade ago), they now strip the very value and promise from the very careers that most pilots have tied their and their families futures to. Get mad, get very mad.
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Old 16th Aug 2017, 13:02
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'get rid of housing' is the same as 'get rid of c and t and all your experience' we'll soon see who's bluffing. I for one am not, and will state so publicly.
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Old 16th Aug 2017, 13:32
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experience(17 Year Captains) cost a lot of money, I'm sure all the quick upgrades(cheap captains) will love that
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Barnaby Swire replaced Hughes-Hallett as chairman and cousin Merlin Swire became chief executive of John Swire & Sons end of 2014. Merlin’s brother Sam worked for the London firm becoming a Cathay non-exec same time Cubbon returned in Jan 2015.

Dan Buster is right, turbo cuts, hay while the sun shines. I'd tip this punt came from London, Hallett, Chu couple more liked the roughie and wanted the hedge, Barnaby, Hogg, Bingham against, Slosar impartial or abstaining, walking and talkings a challenge for the rest, this punt was above muppets pay grade, explains the aftermath and regardless of PPOB no one likes reminding of a bad punt, end of. October; Adults 1 Sycophants Nil.

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Old 16th Aug 2017, 13:49
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Airlines fail due to their myopic view of 'cost'. Their managers know the cost of everything and the value of nothing (other than their own bonuses). You sound just like the type they are looking for Cowardly, helping their narrative. Ultimately, i've made my money and will leave on my terms. I am genuinely sad for those whose careers will be blighted by the ultimate failure of CX. It's probably inevitable at this point, just a matter of when and how.
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Old 16th Aug 2017, 13:51
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Originally Posted by Dan Buster
Look closely at the numbers. It's basically a $1 Billion dollar profit, destroyed by a $3 Billion dollar fuel hedging loss.
You're being very generous to the muppets Dan.

Don't forget the 4 billion dollar cash flow hedge loss. If the bean counters had done exactly NOTHING we'd have made 5 billion dollars on a turnover of 46B.
I think most airlines would be on cloud 9 with an 11 percent profit margin. This airline unfortunately makes financial decisions while being on cloud 9.
Ice addicts running a pharmacy would be more financially responsible.
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Old 16th Aug 2017, 15:06
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Originally Posted by Sam Ting Wong
Hopeless. Simply hopeless.
STW. I'd have accepted a better '$' offer. It was the attached 'conditions' that that overrode my greed!
Your viewpoint is a myopic case of short term gain, long term pain. - And; where with your strategy would we stand from a bargaining point right now??
Think it's a case of blowing smoke up my old jet pipe and telling me I'm on fire actually. Now that rhetoric IS hopeless.
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Old 16th Aug 2017, 15:29
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Originally Posted by Dragon69
I see all the naive and gullible fools are out again. Even Trump's tweets are more intelligent than the above comment.
Just stating the fact. Don't really care what your delusional self thinks.
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Old 16th Aug 2017, 19:22
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https://www.bloomberg.com/gadfly/art...ine&yptr=yahoo
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Old 17th Aug 2017, 02:24
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If any manager gets any bonus this year, we should seriously down tools. Cabin crew too.
Aside, I don't see how me voting YES could have stopped them cocking up the fuel hedge!
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Old 17th Aug 2017, 03:16
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No you don't see and the sentence, re the vote and hedge, doesn't make sense. What we and our GC should have seen, as the hedging screw up was known at the vote time, was the bad times ahead and grabbed what was on the table. That deal is now in the garbage can and it's only going to get worse from here on on. Stupid strategic positioning by the HKAOA.
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And you somehow believe that if things were so dire that they would actually honour the last TA had it passed??? How long have you been at CX?? You do know that they have a filthy record of reneging on agreements and promises, right??

So if anyone here is dilusional it's some of you who think that things would be all roses had the TA passed.
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Old 17th Aug 2017, 03:44
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Grab what's on the table..??

Originally Posted by Ipad
No you don't see and the sentence, re the vote and hedge, doesn't make sense. What we and our GC should have seen, as the hedging screw up was known at the vote time, was the bad times ahead and grabbed what was on the table. That deal is now in the garbage can and it's only going to get worse from here on on. Stupid strategic positioning by the HKAOA.
Hindsight is "always" 20/20 jackass

Is this as good as it gets ???
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Old 21st Aug 2017, 12:29
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Originally Posted by Dragon69
And you somehow believe that if things were so dire that they would actually honour the last TA had it passed??? How long have you been at CX?? You do know that they have a filthy record of reneging on agreements and promises, right??

So if anyone here is dilusional it's some of you who think that things would be all roses had the TA passed.
How long have you been at CX? You take the money and deal with it later! Not honouring the TA? Fine, then we can vote to do IA. It's time to grow some balls instead of suggesting what ifs.
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Old 21st Aug 2017, 12:59
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Originally Posted by cyrex
How long have you been at CX? You take the money and deal with it later! Not honouring the TA? Fine, then we can vote to do IA. It's time to grow some balls instead of suggesting what ifs.
Industrial action? Guys get even stop going into discretion.. no one is gonna park a plane..how long have you been here? Its every man for himself. Full Stop.
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Old 22nd Aug 2017, 00:37
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Originally Posted by cyrex
How long have you been at CX? You take the money and deal with it later! Not honouring the TA? Fine, then we can vote to do IA. It's time to grow some balls instead of suggesting what ifs.
I'm fairly certain longer than you. The problem with just taking the money, as others have pointed out several times before dumb @ss, is that you were giving away everything in the process.

A completely sub-standard TA barely got rejected, and you think the same group that voted YES will vote for IA? Good luck with that!
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Old 22nd Aug 2017, 01:44
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Cyrex,

You gotta read the fine print of any deal. The company has a colourful history of reneging on deals and to suggest that our response would have been to vote IA indicates that you haven't thought this through.

Who would have organised the vote? The GC?... Nope, because under the terms of the TA they had to recommend against future IA let alone organise a vote. You? Nope, because the company's lawyers would have been all over you.

Bought any Snake Oil recently?
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