Boat in HK good idea and where?

[Freehills]

- unilateral, but contractually HKRI have the right to
- lending on the boat/ owners income
- Standoff is unlikely. Technically liveaboards need a license, which they don't have.
- what negotiated compromise would you see? HKRI to cancel their plans?

[TurningFinalRWY36]

agreed, I can guarantee no one outside the DB marina will care that much, especially people outside HK. Think about how many stories you dont hear of from other countries, this will just be one of those

[Dragon Pacific]

I don’t see how there will be a standoff either. All DB Marina have to do is lock the gates, turn off the water, electricity and internet and wait.

[Foxdeux]

During a typhoon, how safe is it to live on a docked boat?

[Farman Biplane]

captain8.........tell ‘im he’s dreamin’....

[markontop]

Yes let's demonstrate.
Last time that happened in China (where we live) Tanks and students remember.
International news. Global impact.
Anything change?
Nope.
Seriously.........

[Scoreboard]

Originally Posted by Foxdeux

During a typhoon, how safe is it to live on a docked boat?

its called a typhoon shelter for a reason....i.e. fairly safe ......**** happens sometimes but ask all the people with windows blown in or trees thru their homes after last typhoon.

[Scoreboard]

Originally Posted by unitedabx

And there is the problem. You think too small and look where it has got you. 90% of C&T are NOT in the HKAOA because it doesn't represent them. It represents the SO's and FO's who are by far the majority and they frankly are glad to have a job because no one else would employ them. And before you reply "but they are leaving now". Take look at the actual numbers. The truth is hard to swallow but there it is. Wait for these junior pilots to make a move and you'll be waiting a long long time, like never. They simply haven't the b****lls. Others In this post have suggested that the C&T's resign. Why should they. They are not in the union and you want to distance them even further. Good luck with that. What is needed is a UNITED front not this pathetic I'm a member crap. The HKAOA needs to reach out to the senior captains ( 42% members ) and the C&T captains and offer a way forward. Or you can keep sticking your head in the sand and hope the very people you want to alienate fight your battles for you. Wake up.

you sir are pretty stupid ...my AOA fees will help members not non members thats the point.....its for MEMBERS.as for CT they should all resigned last year when no 13th month....a bunch of my mates did leading up to it.....but those that crossed this year and those that remain are just sniveling pissants who scrounge for favours while getting **** kicked in their face.they are as almost as stupid as your posts....as for the juniors.....yep they have balls they are leaving or planning on leaving...or too stupid to see it with the latest contract shot across our bow.

[morningcoffee]

Originally Posted by captain8

Whats C&T got to do with the plight of those on boats in DB, FFS?

How about a whip round for the DB guys? 5k each from all AOA/DPA members, should pay off their outstanding loans, and allow them to at least remove their junk to Australia etc. They may then start a new life with a deposit to buy an apartment. Or at worse, be able to afford a rental.

Otherwise, they may sink rather than swim when the lights go out.

5k each would work if there were 120,000 members in the AOA/DPA. I'm thinking sadly you haven't got a clue what the shortfall is in outstanding loans.

[unitedabx]

Originally Posted by morningcoffee

5k each would work if there were 120,000 members in the AOA/DPA. I'm thinking sadly you haven't got a clue what the shortfall is in outstanding loans.

Quote for moving a 40 foot Stubby down to AUS HKD53,000

[SloppyJoe]

Moving how? A lot of these boats are not fit to go to sea. Once in Aus how much would it cost to get it passed all the legislation? I think many would require redesigning and rebuilding.

[unitedabx]

Originally Posted by SloppyJoe

Moving how? A lot of these boats are not fit to go to sea. Once in Aus how much would it cost to get it passed all the legislation? I think many would require redesigning and rebuilding.

All boats are "sea worthy" and have to be by law. That doesn't mean you would risk sailing/motoring over to Thailand in them but they must meet certain requirements. The new stubbies are built to a good standard and whilst some minor specifications might need alteration ie metric/imperial threads they would for the most part meet international standards.

[Dragon Pacific]

You mean seaworthy like this United?

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[SloppyJoe]

Oh you mean put it on a cargo ship. Your quote is ludicrous. Who gave you that quote, are you sure it was not a quote in AUD? United, you appear to be clueless about most things, but offer advice and comment as if you have experience in everything.

[unitedabx]

Originally Posted by SloppyJoe

Oh you mean put it on a cargo ship. Your quote is ludicrous. Who gave you that quote, are you sure it was not a quote in AUD? United, you appear to be clueless about most things, but offer advice and comment as if you have experience in everything.

Company is called ATLANTICPRO.
Shipping is by container ( ie inside a container ).
Hong Kong container port to Sydney paid HKD53,000. Does not include Aussie import tax.
Boat depatred HKG 7 days ago. ETA SYD 18th October.

[Bend alot]

unitedabx, can you supply updates on how it all goes?

We had an uphill battle bringing a second hand aircraft into Australia via shipping - took days of interna(l inc wings) of cleaning and removing foreign objects, and we still got lucky getting it customs cleared.

[Tankengine]

Originally Posted by unitedabx

Company is called ATLANTICPRO.
Shipping is by container ( ie inside a container ).
Hong Kong container port to Sydney paid HKD53,000. Does not include Aussie import tax.
Boat depatred HKG 7 days ago. ETA SYD 18th October.

Have you ever seen a 40’ container!

[Bend alot]

A 40' open shipping container also know as a flat bed container, can certainly carry large boats on the top deck of cargo ships.

[Kitsune]

And sometimes they can conveniently fall off at sea...

[unitedabx]

Originally Posted by Bend alot

unitedabx, can you supply updates on how it all goes?

We had an uphill battle bringing a second hand aircraft into Australia via shipping - took days of interna(l inc wings) of cleaning and removing foreign objects, and we still got lucky getting it customs cleared.

The paperwork is all online now and fairly straight forward customs wise. It enters Australia as "personal effects" and you declare the boat as such and any belongings inside( in my case everything I own ). You need to have the boat cleaned and the various tanks cleaned and emptied prior to arrival in Australia. You get a certificate of compliance and scan it and send to the Aussie authorities. They have the opportunity to inspect the boat upon arrival and I will wait and see what they say. Hong Kong waters are not in designated "alert" areas so there should be no problems. Absolutely no foodstuffs to be onboard but that is obvious. The boat is customs sealed here in HKG by HKG Customs. The seal broken by their counterparts in SYD.
So fingers crossed.I will keep you posted.