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Boat in HK good idea and where?

Old 10th Sep 2018, 10:22
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To my affected colleagues, you are in my thoughts. As to those individuals taking delight in adding to their misery on this forum, you can be certain that every one of you will reap what you sow at some point in your own life. If you do not have anything helpful to add, then keep your otherwise negative and hurtful opinions to yourself. This is a great drama, and having a close friend and his family suffering from whats happening makes me appreciate that nothing in this godforsaken place is ever certain. To have some of your fellow pilots seemingly take perverse delight in their misfortune is sickening. BrokeIdiot, Krone, Busbert. The three of you in particular make me ill. Shame on you all.
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Old 10th Sep 2018, 10:23
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Coming across as “holier-than-thou” is not my intent. The point I am trying to make is the individuals must of know the risk was there. I make bad decisions in life like everyone else but don’t expect special treatment when it goes badly.
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Old 10th Sep 2018, 10:30
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Why don't you learn all the facts about the situation before posting hurtful and unhelpful comments. Seriously, just shut up and go away, as these people are already greatly suffering. Or conversely, pick up a bigger shovel and keep digging yourself a deeper hole. Your username will undoubtedly describe yourself in about 30 years.
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Old 10th Sep 2018, 10:43
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Brokenidiot,
we sincerely don’t care about your comments.
PA
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Old 10th Sep 2018, 10:44
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As always no one can express a differing view without the junior school play ground insults. Might I suggest if you that easily angered it might be best if you “go away” from public discussion forums.

Originally Posted by mngmt mole View Post
Why don't you learn all the facts about the situation before posting hurtful and unhelpful comments. Seriously, just shut up and go away, as these people are already greatly suffering. Or conversely, pick up a bigger shovel and keep digging yourself a deeper hole. Your username will undoubtedly describe yourself in about 30 years.
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Old 10th Sep 2018, 11:01
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Originally Posted by Brokeidiot View Post
Coming across as “holier-than-thou” is not my intent. The point I am trying to make is the individuals must of know the risk was there. I make bad decisions in life like everyone else but don’t expect special treatment when it goes badly.
The dire straits our colleagues now find themselves in have nothing to do with the legality of living on a boat, and all to do with money, lack of clarity and avarice (not their own).

These are families who in some cases might face personal bankruptcy. At best you come across as unkind.




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Old 10th Sep 2018, 12:53
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Broken Idiot, your comments weren't just a "differing opinion", they served no purpose other than to kick people when they were already down. Another name for that is "coward". It makes me sick to think that I share the cockpit with people like you.
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Old 10th Sep 2018, 15:54
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Now that the legality of liveaboards has been ‘clarified’ by the Marine Department, I’m sure that there will be some unfortunate civil servants under a lot of pressure to ‘obey the law’ and ’do the right thing’. Spare a thought also for the Deputy Chairman and Managing Director of HKRI, Victor Cha, who is probably getting it in the ear from his wife Laura who is a member of the HK Executive Council. There’s the strong risk of loss of face if she is seen to be benefiting from income from an ‘illegitimate’ source in this case taking money from ‘illegal liveaboards’ - we all know where Donald Tsang ended up.
There is ultimately the risk of ‘contagion’ whereby the Marine Department is compelled to take a stand and enforce the current legislation on all houseboats. I’ve found that the HK Govt are fairly pragmatic up to the point that circumstances force them to make a statement and enforce the law. Once they engage that mindset they are ruthlessly efficient.
Contrary to remarks from other forum users, I don’t take any pleasure in adding to the misery and agonizing stress that the boat owners are experiencing.
The essential issue is that government officials have come out and clearly stated their statutory position. The fact that the DB Marina Club is closing for ‘renovation’ and may or may not reopen is immaterial, as is a general absence of available berths. A bright light has been shone on houseboats, and knowing how efficient and inflexible the bureaucrats can be, I’m not optimistic.
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Old 10th Sep 2018, 23:54
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What has the Marine Department started ?
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Old 11th Sep 2018, 01:11
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Golf Carts next

The legality of Golf Carts is also being questioned. I know that DB's roads are private but with the increasing amount of traffic in DB they are leaving themselves open to a huge claim in the event of an accident between incompatible vehicles that results in death or serious injury. Transport Dept being told to catch up with the Marine Dept.
Friends of friends etc being given a chance to sell at an inflated price before the ban?
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Old 11th Sep 2018, 03:26
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The golf carts are regulated as village vehicles and the cap on the issue of new licenses was a condition stipulated prior to the opening of the tunnel. You need to produce a certificate of insurance every year when renewing your vv license. There have already been serious/fatal accidents due to golf cart/bus collisions and ‘single vehicle’ accidents along the main drag.
A reasonably large proportion of the golf carts are owned by companies and individuals closely aligned with HKRI which should give golf cart owners a degree of comfort.
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Old 12th Sep 2018, 06:44
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If it was completely a shock, why can’t all AOA members financially contribute to clear all the debt?
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Old 12th Sep 2018, 09:15
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DB golf carts a total red herring and divergance.
Stick to the topic please.
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Old 12th Sep 2018, 09:28
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Originally Posted by morningcoffee View Post
If it was completely a shock, why can’t all AOA members financially contribute to clear all the debt?
Very Conservative figures: 25 AOA members affected to an average of 3.5 million each with 2000 AOA members would be $43,750 per member. Wonderful if it happened, but I can't see it. What about a $10,000 donation per member + the balance as member loans with longer repayment terms than CX.
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Old 12th Sep 2018, 09:53
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Originally Posted by arse View Post
Very Conservative figures: 25 AOA members affected to an average of 3.5 million each with 2000 AOA members would be $43,750 per member. Wonderful if it happened, but I can't see it. What about a $10,000 donation per member + the balance as member loans with longer repayment terms than CX.
Actually only 16 are HKAOA members out of a total of 42 and you would abandon the rest.
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Old 12th Sep 2018, 09:56
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absolutely
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Old 12th Sep 2018, 11:54
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Originally Posted by SloppyJoe View Post
absolutely
Sad but soooooooooo HKAOA. F*** you jack I'm alright policy.
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Old 12th Sep 2018, 12:00
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If someone chooses not to be a member of the HKAOA, why on earth should they benefit from membership? It's the same as crashing your uninsured car, then complaining to AIG that they are not buying you a new car.
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Old 12th Sep 2018, 12:02
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United,

Not that it would happen but if it did, why would union members help out non union members?
I've never heard so much rubbish in my life.
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Old 12th Sep 2018, 18:34
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Originally Posted by betpump5 View Post
United,

Not that it would happen but if it did, why would union members help out non union members?
I've never heard so much rubbish in my life.
And there is the problem. You think too small and look where it has got you. 90% of C&T are NOT in the HKAOA because it doesn't represent them. It represents the SO's and FO's who are by far the majority and they frankly are glad to have a job because no one else would employ them. And before you reply "but they are leaving now". Take look at the actual numbers. The truth is hard to swallow but there it is. Wait for these junior pilots to make a move and you'll be waiting a long long time, like never. They simply haven't the b****lls. Others In this post have suggested that the C&T's resign. Why should they. They are not in the union and you want to distance them even further. Good luck with that. What is needed is a UNITED front not this pathetic I'm a member crap. The HKAOA needs to reach out to the senior captains ( 42% members ) and the C&T captains and offer a way forward. Or you can keep sticking your head in the sand and hope the very people you want to alienate fight your battles for you. Wake up.
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