KA tops the HKIA go around list
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KA tops the HKIA go around list
Was chatting to an ATC buddy and he showed me the log of go arounds for the last 6 months. Finally KA are top of something! 3 times as many missed approaches as the nearest rival . And that was not CX or HKA but ...( sworn to secrecy
Inexperienced Crews using V/S fine tuning , seems to to blame , as the weather has been manageable for the last few months.
Or is there an underlying cause ?
Inexperienced Crews using V/S fine tuning , seems to to blame , as the weather has been manageable for the last few months.
Or is there an underlying cause ?
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Was chatting to an ATC buddy and he showed me the log of go arounds for the last 6 months. Finally KA are top of something! 3 times as many missed approaches as the nearest rival . And that was not CX or HKA but ...( sworn to secrecy
Inexperienced Crews using V/S fine tuning , seems to to blame , as the weather has been manageable for the last few months.
Or is there an underlying cause ?
Inexperienced Crews using V/S fine tuning , seems to to blame , as the weather has been manageable for the last few months.
Or is there an underlying cause ?
More like the continuos breakdown in ATC wake turbulence separation.
Dragon XXX maintain 160kts to 4 miles.
Dragon XXX caution 4.1 miles behind B777, contact twr!!!
Dragon XXX maintain 160kts to 4 miles.
Dragon XXX caution 4.1 miles behind B777, contact twr!!!
They get paid by the minute right?
Just goes to prove they have a just and safe no blame culture. Put me on one of their ( or their green tailed cousins ) a/c any day compared to some of the other muppets operating in our airspace.
'Sworn to secrecy' ...um ok. I'm fairly certain your ATC 'buddy' has actually signed an offical secrets act and probably isn't overjoyed his 'buddy' has made his indiscretion public.
After so much effort industry wide has been put into stressing that a go around is a no jeopardy event some one has to post this puerile attempt at slagging a particular operator.
After so much effort industry wide has been put into stressing that a go around is a no jeopardy event some one has to post this puerile attempt at slagging a particular operator.
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Same dream same scheme
Utter nonsense Anotherday. KA are now in the Cathay group travel scheme. i.e. they get exactly the same benefits, same priority, same FOC etc as anyone else in the group.
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Whilst I fly for the cx, I certainly have no worries or concerns about getting in KA flights around the region. That they go around a few more times than other airlines - so what. It's an arbitrary statistic without qualifiers.
The guys I know who fly for them seem no different in their outlook and professionalism from the guys in cx I sit with.
Good effort by TheGreenDragon at trolling though.
The guys I know who fly for them seem no different in their outlook and professionalism from the guys in cx I sit with.
Good effort by TheGreenDragon at trolling though.
They most definitely aren't on the same number of FOC as us, I know for a fact its more
Those who signed over to the group scheme are on exactly the same deal as CX staff.
Came in at the bottom of the thread and thought it was another whinge feast about staff travel, but no it's actually about go arounds in HK. Someone bought up a good point, KA would have far more arrivals than CX
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KA have recruited low cost local guys ad infinitum .
The benefits are lower crew operating costs but higher number of operational stuff ups . The financial savings on the low experienced guys have to be offset by the perception of a less safe airline from KA's customer base.
The benefits are lower crew operating costs but higher number of operational stuff ups . The financial savings on the low experienced guys have to be offset by the perception of a less safe airline from KA's customer base.
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KA have recruited low cost local guys ad infinitum .
The benefits are lower crew operating costs but higher number of operational stuff ups . The financial savings on the low experienced guys have to be offset by the perception of a less safe airline from KA's customer base.
The benefits are lower crew operating costs but higher number of operational stuff ups . The financial savings on the low experienced guys have to be offset by the perception of a less safe airline from KA's customer base.
Do the KA pilots receive enough TRAINING, guidance and support from their trainers/managers?
Training and management is an investment for any organisation, money should be well spent and produce good results.
Only donkeys never change their minds. In a dynamic, ever - changing world, being able to grasp new realities is a virtue.
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Cannot believe there are pilots out there trying to convert the number of 'go-arounds' into petty point-scoring. A very strange attitude indeed - and one to be ashamed of.
As some have alluded to on here, I would rather see a 'go-around' than forcing a botched approach - any day.
Having a mind set that every approach is a 'go-around' unless you're lucky enough to convert into a landing might reduce the number of 'hard landings' and other such incidents that fail to get reported around here............
As some have alluded to on here, I would rather see a 'go-around' than forcing a botched approach - any day.
Having a mind set that every approach is a 'go-around' unless you're lucky enough to convert into a landing might reduce the number of 'hard landings' and other such incidents that fail to get reported around here............
Inexperienced Crews using V/S fine tuning , seems to to blame , as the weather has been manageable for the last few months.
Or is there an underlying cause ?
Or is there an underlying cause ?
KA is a training airline. It's great that guys are going around and there is no requirement to report it. I've gone around six times in 10 + years, reported once due gnd equipment, the rest of the time a Capt's PA is a better tool than a company spokesman. The only time KA pilots had foolish pressure to report go arounds was when CX had their exchange pilot program - when we got one of theirs and they got one of ours.
We have 4000 hr Captains with 200 hour MPL's. The no blame GA culture needs to be strong and like many here, I'm surprised that pilots would raise this on prune.
There are also a lot of pilots who do not know how to descend jet aircraft efficiently and their conservatism is never questioned in this day and age. Even if you are late to recognize ATC shortening expected track miles, it's not hard to get an A320 or an A330 in from what many would deem pretty extreme altitude versus track miles.
