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Old 11th Jan 2017, 02:59
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And there goes Manchester!
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Old 11th Jan 2017, 04:59
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Vancouver too. My fellow Canucks are having a hell of a time getting some of those slots in Trump land. A grievance was filed and heard but the decision is some time off. I think the company is going to have another real mess on their hands with basings. I really wish all the TUs had not split up. We are just at each others throats now. Look for more lawsuits. 2017 is going to be ugly here.
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Old 11th Jan 2017, 05:51
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We dont want you in trumpland - happy to file that lawsuit anytime. Hope 2017 is ugly might clean out the riff raff
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Old 11th Jan 2017, 06:29
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I love how entitled Canucks think they are, regarding US base slots.
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Old 11th Jan 2017, 07:34
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Not trying to pick a fight with my American colleagues but there is no reason we/they can't and a little thing called seniority! In addition, we have many Canucks in 'Merica and some Yanks in the great white north Eh! The company imposed the restrictions and it is not necessary. The USAOA will not be able to dictate whom gets those bases. WE/they can apply for a work visa and if approved cannot be stopped from coming. I would also agree that works both ways.
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Old 11th Jan 2017, 07:38
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How would the Canadians feel if it were the other way around?
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Old 28th Feb 2018, 14:46
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Hilarious update on basings today, translated as follows:

We’re going to talk about basings for another year in the hope that any pilots still clinging onto the hope of one might stay, but in a nutshell basings are dead. #TTL
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Old 28th Feb 2018, 15:22
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End of the year before the crack team of specialists can tell us what they will decide on bases. I wonder if there will be anyone left to give a base to....
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Old 28th Feb 2018, 20:11
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Pathetic. 'Cost' or 'costs' came up in the few paragraphs 11 times by my count, along with a whine-fest about First World labour laws. And, implied, sickness rates had better decrease to keep your base viable, especially you Yanks and Canucks. No mention, of course, of the savings in housing, education and in many jurisdictions, government-subsidised health cover. Reserve? 'Costs' involved. Of course, Hong Kong-based crew diligently answer their phones in the hotels to cover disruption or roster change, unlike you based swine. And other single hub airlines like Singapore don't have basings and are sooo much better off (but we won't mention Hong Kong housing costs, the large expatriate proportion of the work force or the increasing CX crew turnover).

After yet another year's prevarication they will come up with a revised basing package with reduced conditions (e.g. long range PX in Coach/Economy) and a token few slots so that they can say they are not entirely lying when their lips are moving. This will help them attract more gullible newbies for those double-Second Officer crews, and will keep hope alive for the rest of the plebeians who decide to hang on in quiet desperation.

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Old 28th Feb 2018, 22:09
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Surely
Unquestionably basing slots are
Coming soon
Keep your hopes up — if only
Everyone would
Really agree to a few changes

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Old 28th Feb 2018, 22:30
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“As an example, we promised to provide full clarity on...”

“And you will see below that we have done this.”

Folks. Bases are dead. And people with a way to work anywhere else in the world that want out of Hong Kong are proving they don’t believe the lies anymore because, THEY ARE LEAVING IN DROVES. The clarity is that there will never be bases again, except the Hong Kong base.
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Old 28th Feb 2018, 22:46
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South Africans and HK Chinese. That is the only future CX has. And they will be abused as a group, just as the legacy expats have been. A tragic and sad story.
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Old 28th Feb 2018, 23:13
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Too true. If you don't get you and your family away from HK, and into a proper legacy national carrier, you will cry bitter tears of regret in the years to come. That is not in doubt anymore. CX is dead.
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Old 28th Feb 2018, 23:19
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Just read DP's basing's comments. In sum, a complete obfuscation, designed to try and keep pilots "hanging on" to their jobs in CX. There is NO hope of bases. They are dead. CX is planning their future on exploiting the weaknesses of the local HK population and other nationals, such as those from SA and similar. For those of us from the traditional expat recruitment nations, we are toast. Leave now, as there is no future for us.
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Old 28th Feb 2018, 23:21
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Btw, to wait another 'year' for even a declaration of policy...?? That is another year of seniority you will lose at the eventual airline you will be employed by. That is a massive hit to your eventual career earnings.
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Old 1st Mar 2018, 00:41
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ARAPA terminated, but the terms unchanged until next year.

Final decision on bases will be made next year.

Why everything next year? Is there something big happening next year?
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Old 1st Mar 2018, 01:11
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Something tells me
Unquestionably and
Completely it's ALWAYS next year
Knowing this is vital
Everything depends on it
Rely on it -- prosperity is just over the next horizon
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Old 1st Mar 2018, 04:36
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AT, we'll sit down with you, "next year". Of course, there won't be many of us left "next year". As a matter of fact, "next year" most of us won't really care what you say. In fact, we don't really care what you have to say "this year".
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Old 1st Mar 2018, 04:40
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Sheeeeaaaa. Right. As if. To harken back to my high school days of incredulity. There is absolutely no credibility left, they know it, and they're still trying to use it to lure people to staying. Well the folks who are leaving to BA, QF, all the US carriers have said what they think of the empty words from the 9th and 3rd floor of the ivory tower, "Get lost." To use more words from days gone bye.
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Old 1st Mar 2018, 04:43
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I think the actual words were "Market Forces". Well, AT and RH, you've got your "Market Forces". The ones that are stripping you of your most valuable resource. Stick that in your bonus.
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