So, what is it about this time, CAD
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So, what is it about this time, CAD
Delayed take-off: Further hold up for HK$1.5 billion Raytheon AutoTrac III air traffic control system
http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/p...c-iii#comments
http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/p...c-iii#comments
Do try to keep up Hopeless.
It was actually in use yesterday during the phased introduction.
I love the sensationalistic $1.5 Billion as well; It was less than a 1/3 of that and you'd be struggling to buy the engines for 1 A380 for that. And we're handling 2,200 flights a day now? Chicken feed.
It was actually in use yesterday during the phased introduction.
I love the sensationalistic $1.5 Billion as well; It was less than a 1/3 of that and you'd be struggling to buy the engines for 1 A380 for that. And we're handling 2,200 flights a day now? Chicken feed.
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HK urgently needs air traffic controllers: aviation chief | South China Morning Post
We need many more now for the new system.
We need many more now for the new system.
What is this?? A competition to see who can dig up the oldest news story???!
Grossly short of human resources nevertheless.
Hint for THB: it's not just about the HKIA traffic.
Grossly short of human resources nevertheless.
Hint for THB: it's not just about the HKIA traffic.
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Smooth it seems. Traffic light tho due typhoon Megi.
More important, when is CAD going to comply with ICAO Doc 4444?:
8.4.2 The number of aircraft simultaneously provided with ATS surveillance services shall not exceed that which can safely be handled under the prevailing circumstances, taking into account:
a) the structural complexity of the control area or sector concerned;
b) the functions to be performed within the control area or sector concerned;
c) assessments of controller workloads, taking into account different aircraft capabilities, and sector capacity; and
d) the degree of technical reliability and availability of the primary and backup communications, navigation and surveillance systems, both in the aircraft and on the ground.
Has they ever done c)????
May be Apple Daily and SCMP can ask.
More important, when is CAD going to comply with ICAO Doc 4444?:
8.4.2 The number of aircraft simultaneously provided with ATS surveillance services shall not exceed that which can safely be handled under the prevailing circumstances, taking into account:
a) the structural complexity of the control area or sector concerned;
b) the functions to be performed within the control area or sector concerned;
c) assessments of controller workloads, taking into account different aircraft capabilities, and sector capacity; and
d) the degree of technical reliability and availability of the primary and backup communications, navigation and surveillance systems, both in the aircraft and on the ground.
Has they ever done c)????
May be Apple Daily and SCMP can ask.
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Here is the chemistry :
Severe Shortage of Controller to create more Executive/Planner Control Positions + Rough System Testings + Poorly Managed Adaptation + Poor CAD Top Top Management + Rubbish ATM System + Poor New Centre Fung Shui = Catastrophic Failure
The catastrophic failure in the last Phased Functional Implementation (PFI in short) is a welcome drink, the entree is coming soon. How do you like your steak done? Rare or Blue?
Severe Shortage of Controller to create more Executive/Planner Control Positions + Rough System Testings + Poorly Managed Adaptation + Poor CAD Top Top Management + Rubbish ATM System + Poor New Centre Fung Shui = Catastrophic Failure
The catastrophic failure in the last Phased Functional Implementation (PFI in short) is a welcome drink, the entree is coming soon. How do you like your steak done? Rare or Blue?
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Poorly Managed Adaptation
Not much argument from me on the rest but please feel free to come over and tell us which of the 10,000+ VSPs you'd like us to change, within the system limits.
Or are you perhaps somebody who has only ever worked with AT1 and thinks that the only way ATC can be done in HK is the way it was done 20 years ago.
I hate to break it to you but we are the speed bump in the Region now, holding up reduced surveillance separation, simplified handling and just generally a lot less draconian attitude to what the job of an ANSP actually is.
No system, no matter what we bought , be it even the most expensive, expects ATC to be done in such an old fashioned way.
The latest Thales product does not even come with an EFS, so how the hell would we cope???
Funnily enough, places that HK controllers might think are backward are actually more progressive.
And before you get too excited about how busy HK is; even Jakarta Centre has more movements per day. (No disrespect to Jakarta- I chose that as there is this notion that our overflight situation is so unbelievable, when in fact several other FIRs have larger and more complex route structures with vastly more complicated mix of traffic types)
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+ Poor New Centre Fung Shui
We have TCAS.
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So, what is it about this time, CAD
They are making broth for their customers:
Which airlines will drink this first? Management has to make sure each controller under the pyramids is handcuffed (the cup holders) in his console so that he won't run away when something happens. They have to go to jail because they said they were Level 3, 4, 5 in their Phased Functional Implementation Self Assessment Form. Those said they were Level 5 are criminal acts; you give up your right you deserve it.
FIX THE
SYSTEM
