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Old 9th Mar 2016, 05:10
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joe,

you added too many zeros.

It's, USD 1,096,000,000

New 777 is USD 150,000,000

1,096 Million divided by 150 Million, equals 7.3 new 777.

But we get your point, yes it's shameful.
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Old 9th Mar 2016, 05:31
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Captn Kirk, from memory we had a profit of around $14b in TT's day. That year we got 4 weeks. Be interesting to see what it would have been with the new formula.
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Old 9th Mar 2016, 05:41
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The profit we see now is as good as it will ever get, or indeed has ever got except for one other year. Even when fuel hedging is sorted times will have changed and the profit will remain the same or worse.

i.e Profit Sharing is dead. There will never be more than HKD5k.
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Old 9th Mar 2016, 06:02
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The profit share formula is quite complex, not a simple percentage. If "we" hadn't had the paper loss of fuel hedging, we would have been in line for about 6 weeks of PS, not "10 X" the $5000 (less sick days) being grandstanded.
Either way, their manipulation of figures and interpretation of what is fair and equitable is a gross distortion of any normal accounting practice.
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Old 9th Mar 2016, 06:53
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Do any of us REALLY need any more reason to stay committed to CC? Or even turn the screws a bit tighter. They don't even have the intellectual integrity to announce that the profit share scheme is dead.
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Old 9th Mar 2016, 06:55
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So all the staff combined share a whopping 1.75% of the total profit amount. Wow! Is there any better way to say "get lost" to the employees.

In contrast: Delta Airlines shared 25.42% of their 2015 profit with their employees.
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Old 9th Mar 2016, 06:56
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For Delta's employees, individuals will receive the equivalent of 21% of their annual compensation
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Old 9th Mar 2016, 07:05
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Same team, same dream. Living it....
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Old 9th Mar 2016, 07:08
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See I told you all that zeros added after the sums really don't make a difference
Well it won't to the directors bonuses anyway .

But thanks for the correction to my figures, I have problems when you add 9 zeros to the sums
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Old 9th Mar 2016, 08:34
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take 1 week of sick leave and work 2 sanctioned G days. A week off and for Captains a least >10k and they can place the profit share back in the orifice it came from.
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Old 9th Mar 2016, 09:05
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This isn't a profit share. It is an extra allowance just like Christmas or New Years. I've seen bigger payouts from hotel counters on long layovers, and I've certainly flown PT tickets which cost many times this amount.

We are, in a very real way, paying for the fuel hedging debacle. Losing over 1 billion USD on hedges is unconscionable. It is little better than taking hundreds of millions and betting it at the casinos in Macau night after night. The architect(s) of this program and ALL of those above him/her/them should never work as managers or executives again. They are wholly unworthy. In what other industry do execs get away with this? Hmm, banking and government. Great company! I think it is fraud, waste, and abuse.

In terms of personal finance, the equivalent would be spending many thousands of USD each month on life insurance and income protection and hoping something bad happens. How cynical would that be? Well, there you have it. These muppets are about the most cynical and incompetent managers I have ever witnessed, and I flew in the military, so that is really saying something.

They are absolutely hopeless at leading people any more skilled than the typical office minion. They only know 1800s colonial servitude and 1980s era slash and burn cost cutting. They don't have a creative bone between the whole lot of them. They view the airline industry as little different from producing widgets in a third world sweatshop. It's all about spreadsheets for them. Nothing else matters. Well, look at your spreadsheets now CX... They are disgusting, and it has nothing to do with the employees. It's all on you, CX execs.
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Old 9th Mar 2016, 10:22
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The 'new' profit share formula is an insult and should be abolished.
Interesting the managers can't see that.
The loss of good will must be very expensive.
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Old 9th Mar 2016, 10:32
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cxorcist,

They seem to agree with you over at Bloomberg:

http://http://www.bloomberg.com/gadf...he-fuel-hedges
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Old 9th Mar 2016, 11:15
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I wonder what the Management equivalent of "Pilot Error" is? If a crew had caused the kind of financial damage that these hedging clowns have caused, we'd all know their names.
Answer? There is no equivalent. "Management Error" equates to 'losing face' and we can't have that can we?
So, somewhere in the deepest, darkest recesses of Corporate Cathay sits a team sealing a lid on this whole costly adventure into Fuel Gambling. It is excused like we would excuse a slightly inaccurate ILS by a colleague. It will not be punished and the perpetrator will probably still get a healthy bonus "fuelled" by your profit share.
What on earth keeps the Shareholders so quiet and understanding.
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Old 9th Mar 2016, 11:40
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At least I now know how much they value me flying efficiently.
I guess I'll have no remorse by not asking any 'directs'. Too tired to talk on the radio anyway...
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Old 9th Mar 2016, 12:50
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Check out the free cash flow - the amount CX put in the bank. CX do not publish this on INTRACX. Basically, add back all of the non cash items; the big one being depreciation. These numbers are used to make the net profit smaller in order to calculate their tax bill. However, it does not cost them a penny of cash.

It is demoralizing. I think I'm sick (unfit) just thinking about how much the group really profited, without paying an appropriate profit share out. I was planning on at least a month and a half this year. Guess I'll have to tone down my lifestyle - I'll start skipping lunch.

At least hand out a free business class ticket to all employees due to their hard work and dedication over the year. The only benefit to this is that my 5 weeks of being unfit does not hurt me in regards to profit share.
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Old 9th Mar 2016, 15:55
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Originally Posted by Zapp_Brannigan
At least I now know how much they value me flying efficiently.
I guess I'll have no remorse by not asking any 'directs'. Too tired to talk on the radio anyway...
Yep forget the directs etc, better to sit tight and build up the 5k with OT instead!
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Old 9th Mar 2016, 17:14
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Unbelievable!

This is the second Bloomberg interview of Ivan Chu I've seen, the first one being last year, in which he baffles the interviewer(s) by saying that a USD 1 BILLION hedging loss BENEFITED Cathay! Incredible!

Cathay Pacific Benefitted From Fuel Hedging Strategy - Bloomberg Business
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Old 9th Mar 2016, 17:48
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Don't you mean Ivan Who?
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Old 9th Mar 2016, 18:09
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I have never heard the man speak before, that was absolutely tragic. He does not strike me as intelligent and is certainly not dynamic. What an absolute disgrace this is the CEO of our company.

I am truly at a loss for words.
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