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19 pages of drivel

Old 22nd Feb 2016, 10:52
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19 pages of drivel

Can someone sumarise the 19 pages of drivel that arrived in my inbox?

I like how it begins under the guise of we care about your health and wellbeing, well I think it started like that, I zoned out and decided how many pages were required to get this message across.
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Old 22nd Feb 2016, 11:09
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I switched off as soon as I read "we care about your health and well being"!

19 pages you say...didn't even notice...30 minutes of my life saved!!!
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Old 22nd Feb 2016, 11:13
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Someone had to start it on this topic..... More of the same inexorable march to the bottom. We're in CC and KA get a better travel deal than us and now the latest part of our conditions gets downgraded. Nice... How do they think this will end?

Let's hear it boys and girls!!!!!
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Old 22nd Feb 2016, 11:15
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Seems like a serious breach of doctor/patient confidentiality if you ask me.

I think CX has been drinking a bit too much communist cool aid.
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Old 22nd Feb 2016, 11:17
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Basically, we've all been taking 6 weeks extra a year off as sick leave without a doctor's note, because we're fatigued and the rosters suck, and our masters have deemed that highly unsatisfactory.

So now we're going to take more than a week off (with a doctors note, which will cost them many pennies) six times a year, and they're cunning little fascist plan will backfire.
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Old 22nd Feb 2016, 11:24
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Yup exactly
Heavy handed BS
No way I'm going to take 3 if im not sure , going straight for MINIMUM 7 gotta keep my count down
Do it once , got to be safe to be SURE
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Old 22nd Feb 2016, 11:25
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Ironically. This is what commenced approx. 16 yrs ago to the day. Soon to be followed by interviews of the usual suspects and no doubt assembly of a list of 150 or so names. Just in case.
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Old 22nd Feb 2016, 11:27
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Old 22nd Feb 2016, 11:31
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Read and digest and retain as this policy will be examined during your annual tech quiz.
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Old 22nd Feb 2016, 11:36
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I seem to remember that they tried this once before . So everyone simply went to the doctor to get a sick note . Most people who would have simply taken a few days off on self determination Then decided that if they had to be inconvenienced enough to see a doctor they might as well make it worthwhile
Well it lasted about 2 months , the medical bills went through the roof and pilots ended up taking more time off than they would have had they been considered adult enough to make a personal decision

Let's see how well it works this time
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Old 22nd Feb 2016, 11:37
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Most caring company award??? Can someone remind me?

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Old 22nd Feb 2016, 12:20
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I'm just waiting to hear how KA guys spin this as a "win for everyone"!
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Old 22nd Feb 2016, 12:50
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the welfare of employees’ right across the airline is always a consideration when it comes to the governance and day-to-day management of our operations.
You have to read it to believe it...

So, in essence, a big stick disguised as a magic wand.
Call in sick without a doctor's note and get a free colonoscopy.
How very Swire of them...
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Old 22nd Feb 2016, 13:20
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No leave for the fleet offices for the rest of the year as they will all be conducting interviews.

Who interviews the DCP/DFTM when they go sick?
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Old 22nd Feb 2016, 13:44
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I wonder why Viv left without saying goodbye.....
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Old 22nd Feb 2016, 14:54
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Well,I guess a free colonoscopy is better than having to pay for one
Intimidation poorly disguised as concern for the pilots welfare .
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Old 22nd Feb 2016, 17:15
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Top 10 Mistakes Managers Make Managing People

In a people-oriented, forward looking organization, you'll want to select managers who exhibit these characteristics.
  • Value people
  • Believe in two-way, frequent effective communication and listening
  • Want to create an environment in which employees are empowered to take charge of their jobs
  • Able to hold people accountable and responsible without punitive measures
  • Demonstrate leadership and clear direction
  • Believe in teamwork
  • Place the customer at the center of their reason for existence and regard reporting staff as customers

Mistakes Managers Make Managing

With all of this in mind about managers, preventing management mistakes and dumb decisions is paramount for a successful organization. Do you want to become a better manager? Here are the managing mistakes you most want to notice, prevent, and avoid.

Fail to get to know employees as people: Developing a relationship with reporting employees is a key factor in managing. You don't want to be your employees' divorce counselor or therapist, but you do want to know what's happening in their lives. When you know where the employee is going on vacation or that his kids play soccer, you are taking a healthy interest in your employees' lives.

Knowing that the dog died, expressing sympathy, or that her daughter won a coveted award at school make you an interested, involved boss. Knowing employees will make you a better manager, a manager who is more responsive to employee needs, moods, and life cycle events.

Fail to provide clear direction: Managers fail to create standards and give people clear expectations so they know what they are supposed to do, and wonder why they fail. If you make every task a priority, people will soon believe that there are no priorities. More importantly, they will never feel as if they have accomplished a complete task or goal.

Within your clear expectations, if you are either too rigid or too flexible, your reporting employees will feel rudderless. You need to achieve an appropriate balance that allows you to lead employees and provide direction without dictating and destroying employee empowerment and employee engagement.

Fail to trust: When managers don't trust people to do their jobs, this lack of trust plays out in a number of injurious ways. Micromanaging is one example. Constant checking up is another. Treat people as if they are untrustworthy - watch them, track them, admonish them for every slight failing - because a few people are untrustworthy. Are you familiar with the old tenet that people live up to your expectations?

Fail to listen to and help employees feel that their opinions are valued. Active listening is a critical management skill. You can train managers in listening skills but if the manager believes that listening is a way to demonstrate that he or she values people, training is usually unnecessary.

Listening is providing recognition and demonstrating your values in action. When employees feel heard out and listened to, they feel important and respected. You will have much more information when you daily open the flood gates.

Make decisions and then ask people for their input as if their feedback mattered. You can fool some of the people. but your best employees soon get the nature of your game and drop out.

Along the same lines, create hierarchical permission steps and other roadblocks that teach people quickly that their ideas are subject to veto and wonder why no one has any suggestions for improvement. Enabling people to make decisions about their work is the heart of employee empowerment and the soul of employee engagement. Don't throttle them.

Fail to react to problems and issues that will soon fester if ignored. Managers have a habit of hoping that an uncomfortable issue, employee conflict or disagreement will just go away on its own if they don't provoke it or try to resolve it. Trust me. It won't.

Issues, especially among people, just get worse unless something in the mix changes. Proactive intervention from the manager to coach and mentor, or to make sure employees have the skills necessary to resolve the issue, is imperative. Drama and hysteria do interrupt productivity, motivation, and employee engagement.

Trying to be friends with employees who report to you. You can develop warm and supportive relationships with employees who report to you. But, you will have difficulty separating the reporting relationship in a friendship. Friends gossip, go out together, and complain about work and the boss. There is no room for their manager in these kinds of relationships.

Fail to communicate effectively and withhold important information. The best communication is transparent communication. Sure, some information is company confidential. You may have been asked to keep certain information under wraps for awhile, but aside from these rare occasions, share what you know.

Being a member of the in-crowd is a goal for most employees and the in-crowd has information - all of the information needed to make good decisions. Ask for feedback, too. Ask people for their opinions, ideas, and continuous improvement suggestions, and if you fail to implement their suggestions, let them know why, or empower them to implement their ideas themselves.

Not treating all employees equally. You don't necessarily have to treat every employee the same, but they must feel as if they receive equal treatment. The perception that you have pet employees or that you play favorites will undermine your efforts to manage people.

This goes hand-in-hand with why befriending reporting employees is a bad idea. Employees who are not in your inner circle will always believe that you favor the employees who are - whether you do or not. This perception destroys teamwork and undermines productivity and success.

Throw employees under the bus. Rather than taking responsibility for what goes wrong in the areas that you manage, blame particular employees when asked or confronted by executive leadership. When you know the responsibility is ultimately yours if you are the boss, why not act with dignity and protect your employees? When you blame employees, you look like an idiot and your employees will disrespect and hate you.

Trust me. They will find out and they will never trust you again. They'll always be waiting for the other shoe to fall. Worst? They'll tell all of their employee friends about what you did. Your other staff members will then distrust you, too.

Your senior managers will not respect you either. They will question whether you are capable of doing the job and leading the team. When you throw your employees under the bus, you jeopardize your career - not theirs. And, it won't remove one iota of the blame from your shoulders.
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Old 22nd Feb 2016, 17:21
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I don't know why you all keep kidding yourselves. Cathyay has changed, permanently. The old Cathay we knew is gone. We are now a Chinese carrier operated by Chinese managers. The left over middle managers are being replaced every year. In five more years we will likely be nearly all Chinese run. You cannot keep trying to apply Western management styles to this airline anymore.

The sooner you accept this, the easier it will be to make life decisions.
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Old 22nd Feb 2016, 17:34
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But chinese carriers pay their expat pilots very well $$$$$$
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Old 22nd Feb 2016, 20:00
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This is just further evidence of a management in panic mode. Only an airline that is grossly mismanaged would even need to consider such a policy. Further, they have obviously been spending ALL their time and effort in constructing this, instead of working to fix the gross failures in every area of our operation. What a pathetic bunch. As someone who has had 3 fatigue related absences in the past year, they can stick their policy up their.... . From now on, sick notes and minimum 7-10 days off.
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