Staff Travel Change
swh
Thanks for answering the question.
So in a prior charade unnoticed to CX pilots, KA office staff became CX employees and their KA DOJ honored for staff travel !
Thanks for answering the question.
So in a prior charade unnoticed to CX pilots, KA office staff became CX employees and their KA DOJ honored for staff travel !
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"CN PRI11 J
FO PRI11 YW"
@SWH, you're hilarious. I mean ball-tearingly funny. You remind me of Yosemite Sam the cartoon character, getting all worked up, going off half-cocked on things he doesn't understand and shooting himself in the foot.
A 2 year Capt with an 11J will ALWAYS be trumped by a 12 year FO with 11YW when there aren't enough seats. Class only determines cabin eligibility, NOT boarding priority when the flights are full. When full, it's DOJ only (within a common priority such as 11). It changed last year when 20 year office ladies cracked the ****s at 2 year pilots bumping them off flights because the pilots were eligible in for J while the office ladies weren't.
I hope you have a better understanding of the FCOM's than you do staff travel.
FO PRI11 YW"
@SWH, you're hilarious. I mean ball-tearingly funny. You remind me of Yosemite Sam the cartoon character, getting all worked up, going off half-cocked on things he doesn't understand and shooting himself in the foot.
A 2 year Capt with an 11J will ALWAYS be trumped by a 12 year FO with 11YW when there aren't enough seats. Class only determines cabin eligibility, NOT boarding priority when the flights are full. When full, it's DOJ only (within a common priority such as 11). It changed last year when 20 year office ladies cracked the ****s at 2 year pilots bumping them off flights because the pilots were eligible in for J while the office ladies weren't.
I hope you have a better understanding of the FCOM's than you do staff travel.
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Well the document I have in-front of me states for KA "Captains, grade 4 & 5 ground staff (11B)", CX FO/JFO/FO/SFO get economy. That is not based on DOJ, but rank.
You're confusing eligible travel class with boarding priority. When flights are full (more staff than seats) it goes to DOJ only, within the same priority.
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So a CPT with maybe a year or two in the company gets higher benefits than a 10 year FO at CX waiting for their command? Thanks for the stab in the back guys! But on the bright side I can get P25 to some sh@t hole in China.
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That's subload, not nosub.
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I wonder what the next step is: new livery, staff travel. What about destinations?
Perhaps this is a sideshow. Ask yourself is it divisive?
Is that a familiar tactic?
Let us try not wind each other up!
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Guys, let's be a bit careful with the anger we are rightfully feeling. Ultimately it's not the KA pilots fault. It's the fault of a management who has no consideration for issues that are of vital importance and fairness. That is where our anger and our reaction should be directed. It's not too hard to imagine that they are delighted wish seeing the pilots turn against one another on yet another issue.
Nope, they wished for it they wanted it they pushed for it.
They didn't care what we thought and why should we care if we hurt their feelings.
They could have said no this isn't right, or they could simply have not asked for it in the beginning.
Yep this is BS.
As John McEnroe said "You can't be serious"
They didn't care what we thought and why should we care if we hurt their feelings.
They could have said no this isn't right, or they could simply have not asked for it in the beginning.
Yep this is BS.
As John McEnroe said "You can't be serious"
Spot on ACMS!
Management couldn't resist an opportunity for us to go at each other. In this case I'll oblige management their wish....
Can you lot across the road imagine the outrage if Jetstar pilots were afforded the same boarding priority as Qantas mainline?? This is what has happened here.
Stop moaning about your lot in life and taking what is not yours to take - you all had the chance to join CX but chose KA instead. Mostly because your egos couldn't handle sitting in a windowless seat for a few years. There is no way in the world you can justify this disgrace.
You all made your bed when you joined KA.
Management couldn't resist an opportunity for us to go at each other. In this case I'll oblige management their wish....
Can you lot across the road imagine the outrage if Jetstar pilots were afforded the same boarding priority as Qantas mainline?? This is what has happened here.
Stop moaning about your lot in life and taking what is not yours to take - you all had the chance to join CX but chose KA instead. Mostly because your egos couldn't handle sitting in a windowless seat for a few years. There is no way in the world you can justify this disgrace.
You all made your bed when you joined KA.
Sorry, both treated exactly the same way.
If your confirmed you don't go to the staff travel desk and can check in at home or the AEL like any normal passenger. A 2nd yr SO with a confirmed 11Y will get on before a standby 11B with 30 years of service.
More often than not you will also get confirmed with 11B over 11YW during busy periods as YW is normally full while J has seats.
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The drivel on here is nauseating.
Now you've got all the perks of your quick command at KA and DOJ travel at CX, only now do you all want to be unified and fight the company as one.
Seriously?
As I said, never used KA, never will, happy to not sign across and not have priority 25 on KA if it keeps me from getting thrown off CX by employees from another airline.
That should be an option, AOA motion please.
Now you've got all the perks of your quick command at KA and DOJ travel at CX, only now do you all want to be unified and fight the company as one.
Seriously?
As I said, never used KA, never will, happy to not sign across and not have priority 25 on KA if it keeps me from getting thrown off CX by employees from another airline.
That should be an option, AOA motion please.
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I think the timing of this is interesting. At a time when both groups were going to enter CC together, a deal that had been offered 2 YEARS AGO and never delivered on, is suddenly whipped out of the bottom draw, and RE OFFERED in 12 months time! Do you really think that they need to wait until we get new paint for it to be delivered on? Of course not. They are looking to cause the greatest divide between the two groups, because after it is done, and in place we move on to the next fight don't we?
This is a big juicy carrot that has been dangled in front of a donkey for two years! "Suddenly" it becomes a good idea to give it to the donkey, but the donkey has to wait 12 months for the carrot. In the mean time, the carrot will be used to roger the CX pilots BECAUSE THEY ARE IN CC! No other reason, it is no different to them pulling your RPA! No different. Look at it for what it is.
The more naive of you are angry at the donkey.
This is a big juicy carrot that has been dangled in front of a donkey for two years! "Suddenly" it becomes a good idea to give it to the donkey, but the donkey has to wait 12 months for the carrot. In the mean time, the carrot will be used to roger the CX pilots BECAUSE THEY ARE IN CC! No other reason, it is no different to them pulling your RPA! No different. Look at it for what it is.
The more naive of you are angry at the donkey.
swh
The point is the separate AOC is a charade and you are playing at semantics.
KA staff whose jobs are little changed and nor have their promotional avenues altered from where we sit were given a DOJ staff travel. You never uttered a protest.
The seismic shift in staff travel 12 months or so ago which seemed to advantage office staff was a reasonable driver during pay negotiations and still is. We were lured toward a Corporate scheme in our previous CC campaign and it's now becoming unusable with the policy shifts in staff travel.
Group routes chop and change and the Plan B is been driven with further expansion of KA over CX routes. We also often experienced CX staff getting ahead of us on our own aircraft due to confusion with ground-staff . Still happens with a careless apology.
Some clown above referred to Jetstar. We all know what happened there. CX pilots' behavior, and lets just gauge it from the annals of pprune, has been one of total arrogance toward KA pilots. "It's a take-over, not a merger" rants have been endless and just a blinded legacy pilot attitude that has missed significant opportunities to work with the DPA.
ACMS
Brave you and your jump seat power. My next flight has six J/S requests all CX with personal email contact from one pilot.
Word of advice. He who controls their G day workers wins CC. You come across as a bitter divider and sniper. Why don't you reach out to some of your own.
The point is the separate AOC is a charade and you are playing at semantics.
KA staff whose jobs are little changed and nor have their promotional avenues altered from where we sit were given a DOJ staff travel. You never uttered a protest.
The seismic shift in staff travel 12 months or so ago which seemed to advantage office staff was a reasonable driver during pay negotiations and still is. We were lured toward a Corporate scheme in our previous CC campaign and it's now becoming unusable with the policy shifts in staff travel.
Group routes chop and change and the Plan B is been driven with further expansion of KA over CX routes. We also often experienced CX staff getting ahead of us on our own aircraft due to confusion with ground-staff . Still happens with a careless apology.
Some clown above referred to Jetstar. We all know what happened there. CX pilots' behavior, and lets just gauge it from the annals of pprune, has been one of total arrogance toward KA pilots. "It's a take-over, not a merger" rants have been endless and just a blinded legacy pilot attitude that has missed significant opportunities to work with the DPA.
ACMS
Brave you and your jump seat power. My next flight has six J/S requests all CX with personal email contact from one pilot.
Word of advice. He who controls their G day workers wins CC. You come across as a bitter divider and sniper. Why don't you reach out to some of your own.
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Its funny how Cathay Dragon's cabin crew are celebrating and smirking online at CX complaining about this change. Now ready to brace for the bump not only by the dragon's pilots, but also by their old ____ joined before you! 
By the way, anyone happened to read Yamm3r - there are peeps really happy about this change so they can visit the dragon's ports with their families!
I am sincerely happy for them too! 
By the way, anyone happened to read Yamm3r - there are peeps really happy about this change so they can visit the dragon's ports with their families!
I am sincerely happy for them too!
Yes Lowkoon you are indeed a Donkey.
Did the DPA threaten to go into CC over Pri 25 on CX or not?
Just imagine if the boot was on the other foot - you guys would be howling and rightly so.
You can quit banging your head against the wall while you're at it!
Did the DPA threaten to go into CC over Pri 25 on CX or not?
Just imagine if the boot was on the other foot - you guys would be howling and rightly so.
You can quit banging your head against the wall while you're at it!
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I know KA staff were only fighting for what was promised to them, however please appreciate that this major win comes almost entirely at the expense of CX staff - especially pilots and their families. You seriously can't expect CX staff to be jumping for joy about this.
A quick calculation on FOC tickets. 3000 KA staff, 1-3 dependants each (say average of 2), times 4 FOC sectors per year. Equals 36000 FOC tickets per year. That will have serious adverse consequences for many, many people.
A quick calculation on FOC tickets. 3000 KA staff, 1-3 dependants each (say average of 2), times 4 FOC sectors per year. Equals 36000 FOC tickets per year. That will have serious adverse consequences for many, many people.