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Xmas and New year

Old 23rd Dec 2015, 01:36
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Xmas and New year

well…aren't these Xmas and New year rosters exciting?!! Last year and the year before was ORD and the 23 to 27 Muslim conference at the Westin..3 days off and a split TPE over NY…not content with that crap..its even worse this year..no respite from today through to the 3rd…no moralistic rostering..compressed 104 hour monthlies and nothing appearing seniority based…happy Xmas team...
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Old 23rd Dec 2015, 01:48
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There is always a way to 'amend' any offensive roster....
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Old 23rd Dec 2015, 02:03
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I suggest heavy amendment over these holidays. Take time with your family and friends. CX needs a good spanking and the inefficient holiday rostering offer the perfect opportunity. Don't worry about the colleagues having to cover for you. If they aren't taking the time off, they should be. Too bad for them. No mercy. This is CX we work for, not some 1980s flying club handing pilots envelopes stuffed with cash for their Christmas bonuses. That was then, this is now. CX only hires low time pilots onto barely survivable contracts and despise the experienced types for being grossly overpaid. To the pilot managers and trainers making this crime a reality... Shame on you!!!
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Old 23rd Dec 2015, 03:27
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At what point does a"manual"arrangement of the roster impact on ones consideration to those who have to step in?..each to his own I guess but ruining another guys Xmas dinner doesn't lie well with me at the mo..that said..I feel a spot of very genuine flu settling in....
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Old 23rd Dec 2015, 04:59
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It just seems very discriminatory that there is a request embargo during the Christmas and western New Year, when Chinese New Year, Ramadan and every other religious festival, or significant celebration is not affected.
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Old 23rd Dec 2015, 05:21
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Curtain..very true..pretty sad though that until a few years ago, a cold or the start of some flu almost ensured the guys would go the extra mile and take that "extra" element of sickness..rightly or wrongly, onto the flight deck, in order not to screw the O, A or reserve guys around..hear what you say and so..we enter another era of judgement calling...
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Old 23rd Dec 2015, 06:16
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Embargo Period

Sucks even more tit if your birthday falls in that embargo period...can't even do the honourable thing and request it off...still, no honour among thieves i.e. those bonus thieving managers. And as many have suggested - there is a way to fix that issue.
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Old 23rd Dec 2015, 08:37
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Bunch of whiny girly-men talking about working on the holidays, that's what we signed up for when we became pilots!
Do you see police officers, doctors, nurses etc whining like you?
And don't pass it down to the next guy on reserve. It's an unwritten code you don't do that, unless you are really really sick.
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Old 23rd Dec 2015, 09:18
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No!!! Oasis.
A mini "sick out" will force our gallant Leaders to give up their holidays and fill the seats.
Their train set - their idea to put so many people offside - perfect opportunity to shove it back.
Of course Anna can't help in this respect so she'll have to delegate.
What have we become because not too long ago I would've written exactly what you wrote Oasis?
Not now.
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Old 23rd Dec 2015, 12:33
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I haven't done a reserve block without being called out on the first day once this year . Why does anyone think that the Christmas period will be any different . If you were unlucky enough to draw the reserve short straw this year expect to work. But I would love to see the managers called out to cover crew shortages during the holiday period
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Old 23rd Dec 2015, 13:36
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I wanted Maidyarem Gahanbar off. But alas, I was working.
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Old 23rd Dec 2015, 13:46
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You got the others!

Yes but Dan you forget to mention that you got the other five off!
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Old 23rd Dec 2015, 14:09
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Haven't! Won't mention where I'm spending Xmas - but I'm sure you will wish you weren't there.
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Old 23rd Dec 2015, 20:34
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If your on reserve over the holiday period, enjoy a PRA. You are not screwing anyone and then one of those managers will find out what it is like spending the holiday on the other of the world from their family. You nuts if you sit by your phone over the period hoping not to be called.
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Old 24th Dec 2015, 04:06
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Actually, maybe Oasis has a point. Unless one is really..really sick, you harden the F up and fly.Maybe thats the true meaning of Christmas, where our responsibility to flying colleagues in times of key dates, albeit with more commercial meaning than religious, overcomes our need to go sick at the drop of the first signs of flu.
On a mid year standard 100hr roster, I would have no hesitation in signing off sick but this time of the year, as cliched as it is, the image of some poor sod in DB with a family of 5 missing out on a pre ordained lunch and dinner, a valued Christmas event, means I shall take my sniffling virus into dispatch, take the hits and allow others to enjoy their festivities…and just maybe..maybe, assuming I am still part of this wretched circus, have someone do the same for me.
merry Christmas!!
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Old 24th Dec 2015, 04:42
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Sorry Puka Despite your valiant efforts to not go sick at this time, any number of flights are not fully crewed and will have to be operated by reserve call outs .
It's a manifestation of insufficient crewing levels , piss poor rostering , and total apathy at all levels . Unfortunately this is what this airline has been reduced to
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Old 24th Dec 2015, 07:56
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Some people never get Christmas off !!

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Old 25th Dec 2015, 13:49
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@ "OASIS" - Hell Yes, and to everyone disagreeing, you're entitled to your opinion but don't confuse welching on being the pilot, man, colleague you should be with CC - not the same.
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Old 25th Dec 2015, 16:13
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If you don't ever want to fly over Christmas then get out of aviation! Amending your schedule just to get Christmas off is the most selfish self-centered thing someone could do to a co-worker. That said, when the holidays are over it back on.
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Old 26th Dec 2015, 15:16
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Blah blah blah blah blah
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