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Old 12th Nov 2015, 01:38
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Meanwhile CX crew get Y class with no upgrade on KA because they are viewed by the airline as seperate airlines, however KA get J on CX.

CX employees get J on KA.
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Sadly there are many more like ACMS in the AOA, focussing on the extraneous, or not concerned if there is nothing in it directly for them, whilst simultaneously glibly accepting verbal assurances of things like 25 year housing, and even then not having all the facts right.

CX do get Pri 25 J class on KA, but sometimes without even entertainment why would you use it?

I would have thought co-ordination between all the Unions, FAU included on common issues would have been to everyone's best interests, but as many AOA members have intimated, they believe the AOA should talk to no-one not even the press for a comment after the Trainers letter was published.

Unbelievable!
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Old 12th Nov 2015, 03:46
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No! CX only get Pri 26 on KA
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Old 12th Nov 2015, 04:00
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Jaysus Christ ladies, who gives a shite!

I use KA id90 6-8 times a month and being pri26 vs pri25 makes fvck all difference. Who cares.

Let's focus on the bigger issues shall we, oh I don't know, like RPs and Housing perhaps?

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Old 12th Nov 2015, 04:49
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Devil How about this?

All Capts across the group - Pri 25 + DoJ
All RHS pilots across the group - Pri 26 + DoJ
Cabin Crew Priority commensurate with rank and DoJ but after pilots
Ground Staff last

I believe other large airlines operate this kind of scheme

Standing by for abuse!
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Old 12th Nov 2015, 05:28
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Curtain Rod----thank you, finally someone on here gets it.

Being bumped by a guy that either couldn't, wouldn't, or didn't want to get into Cx on my own Airline ain't happening full bloody stop.

There are many colleagues that rely on commuting that will quite possibly get bumped by a KA person getting a higher priority.

Make all the Bs excuses you like but....

NO.
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Old 12th Nov 2015, 06:58
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By ACMS

There are many colleagues that rely on commuting that will quite possibly get bumped by a KA person getting a higher priority.

ACMS

You obviously haven't read what has been written here very carefully so I will spell it out for you LOUDLY and clearly.

YOU ARE PROBABLY ALREADY BEING BUMPED BY KA STAFF MEMBERS, JUST NOT PILOTS AND CABIN CREW. They work in Personnel, Despatch, Crew Control, Rostering etc. What's more, ITS BEEN GOING ON SINCE CX PURCHASED KA ... GET IT ?

All KA staff were transferred to CX (except Airbus Pilots and Cabin Crew) when KA was purchased and took their DOJ with them. The Freighter Guys who went to CX took their DOJ with them.

So how do you feel about that ACMS ?

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Old 12th Nov 2015, 08:01
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Its been said before but i'll say it again, as some don't read very well.

If a new staff member were to join KA today in Rostering, Despatch, Personnel or any other department except PILOT or CABIN CREW, they will get priority 25 on CX.

So why the discrimination against Pilots and Cabin Crew ?

Anyone care to explain ?
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Old 12th Nov 2015, 09:08
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The CX FOs would have a senior DoJ so would have nothing to be concerned about.
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Old 12th Nov 2015, 09:30
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They should all get it but only back as far as 2006, the day we BOUGHT YOU.
On that day the ASL should have been one list.

So a person that has a KA DOJ of 1990 would only get 2006 for staff travel etc.

CX have never explained to any new CX employee that joined since 2006 that this would be the case. ( they come behind all KA that were employed at the purchase date )

It's happened to me in another life and my Airline also didn't explain. After a year I lost 250+ numbers to the other Airline we bought simply because I joined AFTER the purchase date.

So 2 choices for you I think:-

1/ Pri 25 with a seniority DOJ no earlier than 2006
2/ Pri 26 with your original DOJ in KA.

Make your choice.
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Old 12th Nov 2015, 10:05
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annual leave

How many weeks annual leave does a KA pilot get? Just asking on the basis that we are now one group?
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Wow... How about spare a thought for the poor guys and gals who have joined in the last couple of years...?Staff travel is the least of their worries.

How about being paid about 30-50% less for doing the same job? Could be a start?

How about never being able to afford a place of their own to live...? Being forced to share, rent or live with their parents well into their Mid 30s.

How about not being able to afford to bring the family to HK, or even to start one.. (How sad is that?)

But no... You guys just keep talking about pri25 and 26. That's ok.
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Old 12th Nov 2015, 12:07
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ACMS

Finally a post from you that I can agree with, I for one have never really expected or felt entitled to Priority 25 DOJ, 2006 Date of Purchase YES. But of course the management of the time knew better.

Now after 9 years it looks like a classic case of, "Divide and Conquer" between the two Pilot groups. That however would be giving the management of the time way too much credit. The issues were way over their collective heads ... and we are now two or three generations of management further on and they either don't want to fix the issue or just don't care. Leave it for the next generation of management.


Big Picture

We get the pretty much the same leave as you do 42 days or so. We can take 40 of those days and divide it into 10 lots making 4 Leave days to which we can add 3 days which then makes a weeks leave.
Thats why it appears that we have 10 weeks leave.

It is very similar to the old system which allowed us to add 4 G days to 7 days of leave. This was similar to what I believe is permitted in the CX system. (whether you get the extra G days is another matter. In fact I understand you have enough trouble just getting leave)

Surprisingly the main benefactor of the KA Leave System is actually the company as it allows ample time for forward planning and flexibility.

Unfortunately for you guys at CX, this Leave System was designed by KA and thus, despite the flexibility and forward planning advantages, CX could never be seen to lowering itself or submitting to the fact that maybe KA have something good to offer. So despite the fact it works and works well, your management are actually hell bent on trying to take it away from us, never mind adopting it for you guys.
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Old 12th Nov 2015, 12:43
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It's not about the travel

It's about being lied to.
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Old 12th Nov 2015, 14:05
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I suspect 'The Management' is laughing too hard to add to this thread.

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Old 12th Nov 2015, 20:10
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I suspect PPRuNe towers doesn't commute and require staff travel priorities to get to work?

Maybe if you did you'd understand how important this is. Especially since our Airline runs high load factors and its quite hard to get on at the best of times. To name one destination we have a lot of commuters to and from Australia and so do KA. This will directly disadvantage a lot of CX crew if KA get original DOJ pre 2006 on Pri 25.

It's fine to sit on the side poke fun and laugh, but to many Cx staff that have been employees for a long time way before we bought KA in 2006 it's not something we will accept lying down.

Yes there are other what you would consider more important issues as well ( RP's etc ) but to a commuter desperately trying to get home to see his family for 4 days this could be very important change in his COS. It most likely will make the difference between getting on the flight or watching it fly away along with your minimal days at home...

This is yet another classic example of divide and conquer I'm afraid and the management stooge probably is laughing on the sidelines until he too gets bumped by a more senior KA staff, then he won't be laughing so much watching the flight depart from the standby counter.

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Old 12th Nov 2015, 20:17
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Don--I think we are on the same page.

What do I think about those KA staff that transferred to CX in 2006?
Well I did answer that before on page 1 post #16 by saying it's probably fair enough as they are now employees of CX wearing Cx uniform, Cx ID etc. they should get continuity of service for DOJ.

The current staff working for KA are not CX employees YET, if they decide to merge the two Airlines into one under one AOC and you all come across fully then yes you then should get original DOJ. I don't think that will happen and if it does it won't be pretty....

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Old 13th Nov 2015, 04:17
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Perhaps 'Moderators' should just 'moderate'.
Perhaps "ROB" is "Management" after all.
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Old 13th Nov 2015, 06:06
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If a new staff member were to join KA today in Rostering, Despatch, Personnel or any other department except PILOT or CABIN CREW, they will get priority 25 on CX.

So why the discrimination against Pilots and Cabin Crew ?

Anyone care to explain ?

- My understanding is they don't. They join Cathay, but work at KA. It's only the cabin crew & pilots who are KA employees.
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Old 13th Nov 2015, 07:06
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And thats the way it'll stay as KA pilots won't want to become CX pilots as they have too much to lose! How much is entry level housing in KA?
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