Hong Kong to Düsseldorf

[Frogman1484]

Go and look at the main Cathay website. Hong Kong to Düsseldorf starting in the 1st September in a 777 (not sure where the crews are coming from?

Fly non-stop from Hong Kong to Düsseldorf, 4 times a week starting 1 September 2015 - Cathay Pacific Hong Kong

[falconeasydriver]

So it will be pax only out of DUS, given 23L has a 316 MTOW restriction for a 777-300ER

[Yonosoy Marinero]

(not sure where the crews are coming from?

Easy. LHR and FRA are in the process of being insidiously converted to 3 man crew, the rest of Europe will follow shortly. Layover duration remains unchanged.

TaDaaa!... an extra 10 or more red lanyard wearing crew per day available, courtesy of the HKCAD.

Add to that MOR censorship, probably ASR-F screening, and voila: problem solved. Where's my bonus?

[ACMS]

A quick look tells me:--

RTOW for 23L EDDL 30c nil wind etc = 328.9 tonnes Flap 20

The Landing weight limited TOW is 333 tonnes ( 251 + 82 burn = 333 tonnes ) pretty close.

Typical Total fuel required = 93 tonnes

Therefore MZFW around 236 tonnes which is close to the MZFW... ( 328.9 - 93.0= 235.9 )

Can't see to much problem there, they will be able to have almost MZFW which is similar to EDDF if you check the archived CFP's.

Almost the ideal sector for the ER...

[falconeasydriver]

ACMS,

the RTOW is one thing, but have a look at the DUS notams 316 T is all you are allowed to depart at...at least until the notam expires, which is before Sept 1, but you never know!

A0068/15 NOTAMR A5709/14Q) EDGG/QMRLT/IV/NBO/A /000/999/5116N00645E005A) EDDL B) 1501090509 C) 1504102359E) RWY 05R/23L LIMITED FOR B777, MTOW LIMIT 316T

[ACMS]

Ok fair enough but that NOTAM expires 10 April.....

[Glass Half Empty]

So what's the big attraction in dusseldorf?

[Freehills]

Lots of German business people I guess (centre of the Ruhr)

[crwkunt roll]

They also snuck in a new service to Coolangatta.

[White None]

As opposed to Manchester - BIG Blondes with

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[betpump5]

I mentioned it once but I think I got away with it all right

[TopBunk]

Easy. LHR and FRA are in the process of being insidiously converted to 3 man crew, the rest of Europe will follow shortly. Layover duration remains unchanged.

BA have been doing 3-man LHR-HKG returns for years now. I found it beneficial to be the only one in the bunk, an got better rest as a result. For me, the duty was arduous but not a real issue - speaking as someone who can't fall asleep at the drop of a hat.

[LRpilot]

Topbunk........I suggest to enjoy your very close retirement and shut up, they don't fly four time a month on east direction, 800 hrs every year, screwing up the body clock all the times, this is unsafe because of fatigue.

[iceman50]

Suggest you give up being a pilot then LRpilot, grow up.

[LRpilot]

Iceaman50, could you please explain why I should give up? Because I'm worried to be tired for the next 25 years and probably die before retirement? I still like this job and I'd like to see improvements , not a constant degradation to save money for the bean counters

[betpump5]

Topbunk aka AT aka "A Day in The Life.." aka any other management stooge, your opinions (propoganda) aren't welcome here.

[BusyB]

Topbunk,

You had a minimum of 2 local nights off on arrival HK

[triplesevencommuter]

Topbunk, BA only do 3 man crew during the summer, not the winter. And they are required to have 2 local (uk) nights in Hong Kong.

[Threethirty]

I think TopBunk knows as he works for BA. BA are 3 man all year round to HKG. The only 4 man BA schedule I believe is Singapore and Buenos Aries, 2 Skippers and 2 F/O's, one operating and one augmenting.

[fly123456]

Like others have hinted, at CX we have to do regional flights, sometimes (often) at night, sometimes just the day before a long haul flight.
And to Europe, we only get 24h to 30h rest.

Remember the note "rest between 18h to 30h should be avoided" in the AfTLs? It's what we get all the time...