Dakota Bar boycott
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Bugger me - the smog must be getting real bad of late - you blokes have lost the plot, reality check for cripes sake. If your not happy do something about, not buying beer is lame. Concrete is going cheap in Kowloon.
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boycott? Your a big boy and can make your own decisions. If you want to enjoy a refreshment at Dakotas? Go right ahead, no hard feelings. I for one will not! I hope you can extend the same courtesy?
boycott? Your a big boy and can make your own decisions. If you want to enjoy a refreshment at Dakotas? Go right ahead, no hard feelings. I for one will not! I hope you can extend the same courtesy?
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Time to make your feelings known to the fleet offices.
You have posted on the wrong thread mate. The thread you are looking for is " My favorite Cathay Jokes are".
Exactly what do you expect the puppets (muppets?) in the Fleet office to do?
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The Pilots could not organize a Pi$$up in a brewery let alone boycott of the local bar. The Local bar is self sustaining and doesn't really need the business of a group of alcoholic pilots to sustain itself.
The next incident involving pilots while intoxicated at the Local bar (or anywhere else on or off duty) will involve a certain person from the CMD. When she gets involved all will be put on "The Program" and will never be allowed to consume an alcoholic drink again while in the employ of "The CPG."
Whether it happens on your time off does not concern her, if you have any incident involving alcohol, you are considered to be an alcoholic and will be put on "The Program."
Any person in "The CPG" can accuse any pilot of being intoxicated on the job without jeopardy to themselves. Even if the pilot accused has "ZERO" blood alcohol, that pilot will have to enter "The Program" at the demand of that said CMD personal. Her word is final and unquestioned.
There is no legal recourse to the accuser under HK Law as the pilot is considered guilty until proven innocent. When proven innocent the pilot will still have to enter the program at the demand of CMD even if there is no evidence of alcohol abuse.
Any incident involving alcohol whether on or off duty will have consequences and the individuals involved will have to enter the program. Please be guided accordingly.
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The next incident involving pilots while intoxicated at the Local bar (or anywhere else on or off duty) will involve a certain person from the CMD. When she gets involved all will be put on "The Program" and will never be allowed to consume an alcoholic drink again while in the employ of "The CPG."
Whether it happens on your time off does not concern her, if you have any incident involving alcohol, you are considered to be an alcoholic and will be put on "The Program."
Any person in "The CPG" can accuse any pilot of being intoxicated on the job without jeopardy to themselves. Even if the pilot accused has "ZERO" blood alcohol, that pilot will have to enter "The Program" at the demand of that said CMD personal. Her word is final and unquestioned.
There is no legal recourse to the accuser under HK Law as the pilot is considered guilty until proven innocent. When proven innocent the pilot will still have to enter the program at the demand of CMD even if there is no evidence of alcohol abuse.
Any incident involving alcohol whether on or off duty will have consequences and the individuals involved will have to enter the program. Please be guided accordingly.
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Some excellent planning there muppet management.
Every based crew memeber now brings (as Curtain said) a 70lb bag carrying all that is needed for a comfortable layover - coffee plunger, gym goods, boule kit (?) et al - and your 'Headland new profit scheme' is negated due higher fuel costs.
Also pisses off the pilot community even further. As if we weren't completely fed up already.
Clever lot.
Every based crew memeber now brings (as Curtain said) a 70lb bag carrying all that is needed for a comfortable layover - coffee plunger, gym goods, boule kit (?) et al - and your 'Headland new profit scheme' is negated due higher fuel costs.
Also pisses off the pilot community even further. As if we weren't completely fed up already.
Clever lot.
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And sadly we don't stick up for each other.
Just like the guy in NYC, put in the slammer as a result of accusations that were later recanted.
The false accuser goes on her merry way in the company, and the victim (being a pilot) is booted out the door so the company can save face.
And we all just looked the other way, and thought "thank god it wasn't me"
Just like the guy in NYC, put in the slammer as a result of accusations that were later recanted.
The false accuser goes on her merry way in the company, and the victim (being a pilot) is booted out the door so the company can save face.
And we all just looked the other way, and thought "thank god it wasn't me"
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For a start, we could all be members of the AOA and contribute to the general fund. Although it was a difficult and stressful experience, I remember many of us increasing our subs to cover a good deal of the 49'ers income for a considerable period after the event. I'm proud of that to this day. I'm not saying it solved the problem, but at least it demonstrated a real and substantial desire to help my colleagues. Everyone can at least do the minimum. As for the ISM in question with the JFK incident: I do not let her in the cockpit on her own. End of story.
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Like I said, couldn’t organize a Pi$$up in a brewery.
Why would you have to pay extra to support one member in the JFK case or the Alcoholic from Seoul? Unless you are paying too much money to too many General Secretaries at your HKAOA. Where is all the money going and what are you paying them? Maybe my Wife can be General Secretary and we will not have to get all our info third hand. It doesn’t matter, we already have a spy there and in all the onshore unions.
The HKAOA lacks the Will to pursue actions that will protect any member. The HKAOA Members itself don’t have the Will to pursue such actions AND NO ONE has the WILL to take on the Inflight Service Department or the FAU.
The Inflight Service Department at “The CPG” is the most powerful entity in the entire Corporation. Even our Upper Management are scared of the Cabin Crew. When they are unhappy it can affect our product and then our bottom line. No one has the Will to take on any member of the FAU and any member of the FAU can accuse any pilot of any wrong doing and still be protected by “The CPG” and the FAU whether the accusation is true or false.
Foreign Lawmaker don’t even pursue false statements made by FAU Members and the HKAOA will not pursue civil matters on behalf of any member. No one is out there to protect any Member except maybe IFALPA when you are thrown in jail for having an incident while using Commanders Discretion.
FOP management will do nothing to protect a member of their TEAM even though they are caring people and want you to FEEL like a TEAM.
As we all know with the Hong Kong Judicial System, one can perjure oneself and not have any repercussions.
The pilots don’t have the will to affect our bottom line as too many are self serving.
When the next injustice comes by the way of any HKAOA member and it will, we will see who has to Will to do anything. Most will not, just standby and watch the injustice be done and be glad it is not them.
Enjoy you Holiday Roster
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Why would you have to pay extra to support one member in the JFK case or the Alcoholic from Seoul? Unless you are paying too much money to too many General Secretaries at your HKAOA. Where is all the money going and what are you paying them? Maybe my Wife can be General Secretary and we will not have to get all our info third hand. It doesn’t matter, we already have a spy there and in all the onshore unions.
The HKAOA lacks the Will to pursue actions that will protect any member. The HKAOA Members itself don’t have the Will to pursue such actions AND NO ONE has the WILL to take on the Inflight Service Department or the FAU.
The Inflight Service Department at “The CPG” is the most powerful entity in the entire Corporation. Even our Upper Management are scared of the Cabin Crew. When they are unhappy it can affect our product and then our bottom line. No one has the Will to take on any member of the FAU and any member of the FAU can accuse any pilot of any wrong doing and still be protected by “The CPG” and the FAU whether the accusation is true or false.
Foreign Lawmaker don’t even pursue false statements made by FAU Members and the HKAOA will not pursue civil matters on behalf of any member. No one is out there to protect any Member except maybe IFALPA when you are thrown in jail for having an incident while using Commanders Discretion.
FOP management will do nothing to protect a member of their TEAM even though they are caring people and want you to FEEL like a TEAM.
As we all know with the Hong Kong Judicial System, one can perjure oneself and not have any repercussions.
The pilots don’t have the will to affect our bottom line as too many are self serving.
When the next injustice comes by the way of any HKAOA member and it will, we will see who has to Will to do anything. Most will not, just standby and watch the injustice be done and be glad it is not them.
Enjoy you Holiday Roster
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Management....you're right about the power the FAU and ISD hold over the CPG group.....
I noticed the huge banner at dispatch proclaiming the "new" ISM's BRIEFING ROOM. I couldn't help but chuckle to myself as I pondered where the "old" Captains briefing room might be....much, less a "new" Captains briefing room.
Based pilots have no space to place their luggage....but the ISMs get a personal briefing room. Pilots can't get a meager pay rise, but a new briefing room for the ISM's....that's a top priority.
How much fuel savings have the ISMs yielded for the CPG?
Upside down logic....Working for the CPG, sometimes I feel like Charlton Heston in the original "planet of the apes" movie, when he stumbled out of his spaceship and looked up to see a gorilla riding a horse.
I noticed the huge banner at dispatch proclaiming the "new" ISM's BRIEFING ROOM. I couldn't help but chuckle to myself as I pondered where the "old" Captains briefing room might be....much, less a "new" Captains briefing room.
Based pilots have no space to place their luggage....but the ISMs get a personal briefing room. Pilots can't get a meager pay rise, but a new briefing room for the ISM's....that's a top priority.
How much fuel savings have the ISMs yielded for the CPG?
Upside down logic....Working for the CPG, sometimes I feel like Charlton Heston in the original "planet of the apes" movie, when he stumbled out of his spaceship and looked up to see a gorilla riding a horse.
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So what could we do to help that guy? Or the next guy? Or you, when you're next?
We live in a society where any man is automatically assumed guilty, on any accusation of sexual harassment.
And any false accuser is exempt from consequences, because this could be construed as blaming the victim, and is thus labelled as sexist and misogynist.
And the company has provided a textbook example of the above, in the way that it treated the individuals involved.
I hope I will never be in this situation, and I try to protect myself by conducting myself with any female colleagues in the most formal and business-like manner that I can.
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I'm not sure, my hands are shaking so much.
So squinting through the tremors, on my ver small screen iphone3, when I thought it said Dakotas, I thought it was going to be about twin radials.
How does that relate to baggage and a fruit-loop Japanese?
So squinting through the tremors, on my ver small screen iphone3, when I thought it said Dakotas, I thought it was going to be about twin radials.
How does that relate to baggage and a fruit-loop Japanese?
Avoid imitations
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Strewth! As someone who has been flying for a living for thirty seven years (and never unemployed) reading this thread makes me so glad I never went down the airline route. Especially this one. 