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Old 16th Oct 2014, 04:33
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So you want a full expat housing package and an additional 13th month (on top of the 13th month that was long ago tied into based salaries in the form of a higher base salary) in exchange for a couple of reserve days a month?

Good luck with that!
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Old 16th Oct 2014, 05:21
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So they gave a small pay rise years ago and you expect that satisfies all requirements today...... That somehow makes up for all the shortfalls then AND now....
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Old 16th Oct 2014, 05:52
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Of course I don't expect that but if they expect us to live in a city that is comparable to HKG as far as cost they need to pay up. I guess it doesn't matter much as most of us on bases don't see much point in working for cathay any more.
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Old 16th Oct 2014, 06:22
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Although this was anticipated, it is the first shot across the bow.
When contract compliance commences we need to anticipate defensive rostering and significant personal sacrifice to counter it.
This is why CC has a limited effective time period - say 10 weeks.....
It will be interesting to see how committed the 51% are when CC starts taking time away from their family, and dollars from their pockets - not to mention the 49%!
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Old 16th Oct 2014, 06:48
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10 weeks 4 driver? You're having a laugh. CC will be effective as long as it is in force. It may take months or years.
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Old 16th Oct 2014, 10:40
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This will take year...not going to the have the effect you think it will!
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Old 16th Oct 2014, 13:41
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Is it true that A days are still being rostered in Canada?
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Old 16th Oct 2014, 15:47
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If you live within one and a half hours of your base then you are still rostered A days. Outside of that everyone else is being rostered reserve.
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Old 16th Oct 2014, 16:33
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So it's deliberately malicious then. Not safety driven at all.
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Old 16th Oct 2014, 18:32
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Isn't the 'report time' for an A day 10 hours from the time of notification? It certainly was.
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Old 16th Oct 2014, 21:02
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Safety was never an issue under the old system and it IS deliberately malicious because there is a reasonable option which would satisfy all on the table.

In fact, the path chosen by the company CREATES an unsafe situation--commuters under the old system which was working fine now have to change their lives and scramble to find a place--also having the added financial and family pressures of more days gone with dodgy temporary lodging in a place they didn't want to make a full time home. Add to this arbitrary nature of reserve time blocks swapped around to punish folks which could result in a long flight after being awake for a very long time. No longer can folks really plan their rest because no one has any idea when they might be called out or what for. Somewhat stable rosters combined with a known duty window let folks plan; this is designed to do the opposite.
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Old 16th Oct 2014, 21:27
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Marbles, I live within 1 1/2 hours of my base port and I have been rostered 'R'.

I doubt whether the rostering lot would have the capacity to ascertain where every pilot lives in relation to his base and calculate his travelling time.

But what's happening in Canada?

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Old 17th Oct 2014, 00:48
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Contract compliance - yeah right
Wonder how a certain a MEL based Kiwi captain will get around this one...more deals with crew control?

Unfortunately for commuters this will lead into more pilots constantly calling crew control to get a trip allocated in advance rather than spending days and days in a hotel at their base port.
Considering there's only one MEL based kiwi skipper why not just name him? This is why CC is a joke, skippers never get any crap for working on G days, never lose the sector or give a rats ass about the "name and shame" BS. Most commuters are skippers, and they'll keep doing deals with crew control, working Gs until the cows come home. Sad but true.
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Old 17th Oct 2014, 00:53
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There is most definitely more than one Mel based kiwi skipper.
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