Good news for British JAR/EASA licence holders.
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Good news for British JAR/EASA licence holders.
The latest CAA information bulletin has the following statement regarding CAP 804 amendments..
"This amendment includes the following - Taking credit for derogations accepted by the European Commission and their consequential effects. These include credits for current instrument ratings and aircraft type ratings held on third-country ICAO compliant licences against the renewal requirements of the equivalent ratings included in a Part-FCL licence".
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/Informa...ice2014156.pdf
"This amendment includes the following - Taking credit for derogations accepted by the European Commission and their consequential effects. These include credits for current instrument ratings and aircraft type ratings held on third-country ICAO compliant licences against the renewal requirements of the equivalent ratings included in a Part-FCL licence".
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/Informa...ice2014156.pdf
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It does not mean that exactly.
It means that if you are currently flying the 777 for a country with a licence approved by ICAO (HK is) with a rating on it, then you can covert that rating and add the privileges to the EASA Part FCL licence once you have jumped through the hopes as specified in the CAP 804 section 4 Part Q Subpart 2 page 2.
On the pdf document it's on page 576.
I just did a chap's LST on the 787 from the ME and he had to go through an ATO here in the UK. They accepted all of his training, the wanted evidence of his time on type (log book and a letter from his employer) and evidence of a current LPC on Type (his Qatari licence).
The Skill Test was 3 hours. He then went down to the ministry and got his rating and Part FCL licence issued on the same day.
What has been very helpful in the last few years is the instrument rating validity extension. Some pilots had left their UK licence lapse for more than 7 years. The CAA wanted them to re sit the IR part of their written exams.
They now accept IACO approved licences as equivalent thus no need to re-sit exams if in current flying practice.
Best of Luck
I am not 777 qualified (737 and 787)) but Boeing and BA in the UK can help you with the 777 rating conversion.
It means that if you are currently flying the 777 for a country with a licence approved by ICAO (HK is) with a rating on it, then you can covert that rating and add the privileges to the EASA Part FCL licence once you have jumped through the hopes as specified in the CAP 804 section 4 Part Q Subpart 2 page 2.
On the pdf document it's on page 576.
I just did a chap's LST on the 787 from the ME and he had to go through an ATO here in the UK. They accepted all of his training, the wanted evidence of his time on type (log book and a letter from his employer) and evidence of a current LPC on Type (his Qatari licence).
The Skill Test was 3 hours. He then went down to the ministry and got his rating and Part FCL licence issued on the same day.
What has been very helpful in the last few years is the instrument rating validity extension. Some pilots had left their UK licence lapse for more than 7 years. The CAA wanted them to re sit the IR part of their written exams.
They now accept IACO approved licences as equivalent thus no need to re-sit exams if in current flying practice.
Best of Luck
I am not 777 qualified (737 and 787)) but Boeing and BA in the UK can help you with the 777 rating conversion.
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From a post by Old King Coal on the Middle East Forum.
The requirements to convert your licence to a Part FCL are detailed below:
•Hold a current and valid JAR/Part-MED Class 1 Medical Certificate with all medical records held in the UK (which in reality means that you must have renewed your Class 1 Medical with an AME whom is able to conduct the medical assessment on behalf of the UK CAA).
•Hold a current and valid ICAO Language Proficiency level
For licence conversion the requirements are:•Licence conversion application form SRG1104 or the online conversion form.
•A copy of your Certificate of Revalidation page (from your previous JAR licence) certified by your Examiner/Training Provider.
•Copy of current and valid UK issued JAR/Part-Med Class 1 Medical.
•(if not already held) Evidence of current Language Proficiency – See CAP 804, Section 4, Part M, page 2 ‘FCL.055 – Language Proficiency’ (in reality most British pilots will already be assessed as ELP level 6).
•The current fee as per the CAA Scheme of Charges £139.00
If you already hold a JAR ATPL, your licence is already deemed to be a 'Part FCL' licence, therefore there is no requirement to hold a valid rating in order to convert your JAR license into a Part FCL licence, albeit that the Part FCL licence would then be issued with no valid rating(s).
That said, all previous (expired) ratings will be listed in the section 'Ratings previously held by holder'.
If you are in current flying practice using a current & valid ICAO third country licence (e.g. GCAA) on the same aircraft type as a rating as held within your UK issued licence you are not required to attend an ATO (which is the new name for TRTO) for refresher training, as detailed within the information notice for which the UK CAA's 'derogation' has been accepted by EASA.
In order to have a rating issued with your Part FCL license you need to pass a Licence Proficiency Check (LPC) with an appropriately authorised UK or EASA TRE.
The following paperwork will need to be submitted for the renewal of the Type Rating:•A fully completed Application form for the issue a type rating (form SRG1119C for renewal)
•Examiners Report form SRG 2199.
•Original or photocopy of the third country licence certified by the examiner.
•Original or photocopy of your logbook certified by the examiner.
•Fee, currently £89, for the UK CAA to sign the rating in your licence.
If your LPC is conducted overseas and / or by a non-UK examiner, I would suggest also including the following items as part of your application paperwork.
•Copy of the EASA approval document for the simulator you did your check in.
•Copy of your TRE's license, medical, and TRE certification.
If you're using an electronic logbook then a print-out of the last 6 months worth of flights should suffice as proof of recent flying experience. I would also suggest getting your Chief Pilot office to stamp the last page and / or get the TRE to also stamp / countersign the pages be they a printout or the actual logbook.
All of the above is for a conversion of a UK JAR ATPL into an EU EASA Part FCL including any ratings that were already originally held on the JAR license.
E.g. I had a B737 already on my UK JAR license, and I am flying that same type here in Dubai on my GCAA license. I have recently passed an LPC on that same type with an EASA approved TRE, in a sim approved by EASA.
Accordingly the UK CAA issued me with a EASA Part FCL license with B737-300 thru -900. They also listed my previous ratings for B757 / B767 (although they are now defunct, as more than 5 years have elapsed since I renewed my IR on that type) in the section for 'Ratings previously held by holder'.
Nb. Unlike the JAR license, the Part FCL is now valid for the lifetime of the holder.
Now here's the bit I'm not sure about, i.e. if the type for which you're requiring a rating was not previously held on your UK JAR License, I suspect you will need - at the very minimum - to provide a 'Course Completion Certificate' in with your Part FCL application (indeed the nice lady at the Belgrano even mentioned as much to me yesterday, i.e. before she realised that all I wanted was to include / revalidate a type that was previously on my JAR License).
I would imagine that if you were looking to put, say, a B777 in your EASA license, wherein the B777 was a type you obtained via working for, say, Emirates, then if you did your training at CAE in Dubai you could ask CAE for an EASA approved 'Course Completion Certificate' and, being that CAE are a worldwide ATO, that should(?) be acceptable to the Belgrano ?!
Nb. The requirements for inclusion of a type obtained via an non EASA license seem to listed within: CAP 804 / Section 4 / Part Q / Sub-part 2 / Conversion of Non-EASA licences issued by States other than the UK / C. Acceptance of Class and Type Ratings
•Hold a current and valid JAR/Part-MED Class 1 Medical Certificate with all medical records held in the UK (which in reality means that you must have renewed your Class 1 Medical with an AME whom is able to conduct the medical assessment on behalf of the UK CAA).
•Hold a current and valid ICAO Language Proficiency level
For licence conversion the requirements are:•Licence conversion application form SRG1104 or the online conversion form.
•A copy of your Certificate of Revalidation page (from your previous JAR licence) certified by your Examiner/Training Provider.
•Copy of current and valid UK issued JAR/Part-Med Class 1 Medical.
•(if not already held) Evidence of current Language Proficiency – See CAP 804, Section 4, Part M, page 2 ‘FCL.055 – Language Proficiency’ (in reality most British pilots will already be assessed as ELP level 6).
•The current fee as per the CAA Scheme of Charges £139.00
If you already hold a JAR ATPL, your licence is already deemed to be a 'Part FCL' licence, therefore there is no requirement to hold a valid rating in order to convert your JAR license into a Part FCL licence, albeit that the Part FCL licence would then be issued with no valid rating(s).
That said, all previous (expired) ratings will be listed in the section 'Ratings previously held by holder'.
If you are in current flying practice using a current & valid ICAO third country licence (e.g. GCAA) on the same aircraft type as a rating as held within your UK issued licence you are not required to attend an ATO (which is the new name for TRTO) for refresher training, as detailed within the information notice for which the UK CAA's 'derogation' has been accepted by EASA.
In order to have a rating issued with your Part FCL license you need to pass a Licence Proficiency Check (LPC) with an appropriately authorised UK or EASA TRE.
The following paperwork will need to be submitted for the renewal of the Type Rating:•A fully completed Application form for the issue a type rating (form SRG1119C for renewal)
•Examiners Report form SRG 2199.
•Original or photocopy of the third country licence certified by the examiner.
•Original or photocopy of your logbook certified by the examiner.
•Fee, currently £89, for the UK CAA to sign the rating in your licence.
If your LPC is conducted overseas and / or by a non-UK examiner, I would suggest also including the following items as part of your application paperwork.
•Copy of the EASA approval document for the simulator you did your check in.
•Copy of your TRE's license, medical, and TRE certification.
If you're using an electronic logbook then a print-out of the last 6 months worth of flights should suffice as proof of recent flying experience. I would also suggest getting your Chief Pilot office to stamp the last page and / or get the TRE to also stamp / countersign the pages be they a printout or the actual logbook.
All of the above is for a conversion of a UK JAR ATPL into an EU EASA Part FCL including any ratings that were already originally held on the JAR license.
E.g. I had a B737 already on my UK JAR license, and I am flying that same type here in Dubai on my GCAA license. I have recently passed an LPC on that same type with an EASA approved TRE, in a sim approved by EASA.
Accordingly the UK CAA issued me with a EASA Part FCL license with B737-300 thru -900. They also listed my previous ratings for B757 / B767 (although they are now defunct, as more than 5 years have elapsed since I renewed my IR on that type) in the section for 'Ratings previously held by holder'.
Nb. Unlike the JAR license, the Part FCL is now valid for the lifetime of the holder.
Now here's the bit I'm not sure about, i.e. if the type for which you're requiring a rating was not previously held on your UK JAR License, I suspect you will need - at the very minimum - to provide a 'Course Completion Certificate' in with your Part FCL application (indeed the nice lady at the Belgrano even mentioned as much to me yesterday, i.e. before she realised that all I wanted was to include / revalidate a type that was previously on my JAR License).
I would imagine that if you were looking to put, say, a B777 in your EASA license, wherein the B777 was a type you obtained via working for, say, Emirates, then if you did your training at CAE in Dubai you could ask CAE for an EASA approved 'Course Completion Certificate' and, being that CAE are a worldwide ATO, that should(?) be acceptable to the Belgrano ?!
Nb. The requirements for inclusion of a type obtained via an non EASA license seem to listed within: CAP 804 / Section 4 / Part Q / Sub-part 2 / Conversion of Non-EASA licences issued by States other than the UK / C. Acceptance of Class and Type Ratings
