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Old 12th Sep 2014, 07:07
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All you "yes" voters are clear exams a
Of why western civilization is declining. You have all lost your wits. Accepting a shit deal always sets you up for another shit deal. That's why since the A scalers caved in the CX pilots have continued to get a crap deal. Enough already. Grow a dam pair.
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Old 12th Sep 2014, 07:29
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Seems like there is much disagreement.
Expectations vary all over the shop.

Partly the AOA is to blame for this.
If we knew what the AOA asked for in the first place, expectations would be more in alignment.

What did % they ask for, and what was the previous offer from the co?
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Old 12th Sep 2014, 07:46
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I am a HKG based airbus captain that been here for 16 plus years and I am voting Yes...period. The company have made an offer, which is at the lower end of what's acceptable but has no strings attached and I'm going to take it, the fight will go on and that's fine by me.

I am getting sick and tired of reading about our USAB pilots, half of whom are direct entry captains and FO's who are disadvantaged by this deal....and how selfish I'm being by wanting to accept it. I've been in the AoA 15 years and seen more, and paid more towards the fight, than most on this site and will continue to do so.

Goathead, don't preach to me about looking after our brothers and sisters.

These are the same people who were happy to take basings and rank out of seniority and who get 18 days off per month while living where they want to live - yet it is me that is 'selfish'?

And then our NZ based pilots...for years I watched senior NZ based FO's - half of whom aren't even AoA members (yet it was my AoA that negotiated them 2 years of grandfather rights!) get bypass pay - getting paid 20-30% more than me - a HKG based captain while sucking up EFP and getting 15-20 days off a month while living at home.

These days I get minimum G days per month and do 83.75 hours while my 777 peers do 3 long hauls/month and pull 20/30G's per month extra in OT consistently.


If I can get a bit extra I will, saying No will mean a lesser deal will be 'awarded' to us wether we like it or not.
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Old 12th Sep 2014, 09:53
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I love to read posts about A scalers written by morons that joined on Sh*t conditions, lecture everyone on how its done. Hilarious.
 
Old 12th Sep 2014, 10:00
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Cathay will pay cash to anyone who will help them out.

This is what they did in the past, when we were doing CC. They will keep on doing this until you figure out that it will not work and give up. The end result will be zero pay increase and them steam rolling you with their new RP, because our only weapon of CC did not work.

Well said sleepercell. You also forgot to mention that cost of living in the US is a lot cheaper than here in HKG. As for the NZ boys, they just got a big win by only having to pay HKG tax!
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Old 12th Sep 2014, 10:04
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Vote on "Offer"

It's really simple, vote NO and you are no worse off than you were yesterday with significant potential upside. Harden up guys.
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Old 12th Sep 2014, 11:51
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As an aside: have a read of the comments section of SCMP for a laugh.


"Cathay should recruit their plane drivers locally, and mass culling them overpaid foreigners!

Modern passenger plane can virtually be flown from Hong Kong to London Heathrow; taking off and landing without any pilot on board, and in perfect safety!

Yep, it goes by the name 'drones'.
In fact judging from the MAS incidences of late, human navigators in the cockpit maybe the most dangerous factor involved in modern passenger planes."
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Old 12th Sep 2014, 12:25
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They must think CX management are pretty damn stupid then, otherwise they would already have replaced us if it was that easy.........

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Old 12th Sep 2014, 13:17
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Sleepercell

My heart bleeds for you and for your 83.75 hours and for your 16 years In Hong Kong

Your just another troll

How is my grammar monster330
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Old 12th Sep 2014, 13:21
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Trust me mate...contract compliance does not work!

All of the G day worker, commuters etc will make sure it does not work.

Voting yes...taking the money... Fighting for more with RP.
...and the based guys too; most of them are worried if they don't "help out" CX will close the base...
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Old 12th Sep 2014, 13:54
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Old 12th Sep 2014, 14:14
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Some people will be pissed off no matter what the offer is by the company.
I will vote no.
Not because I think we will get a better offer. In fact, the opposite. I think we will put less dollars in our pocket in the end.
But we need to take a stand sometime. If we roll over now, so much for the roster practice and housing negotiations.
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Old 12th Sep 2014, 15:06
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4 driver....what a plan!
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Old 12th Sep 2014, 23:43
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I'm guessing

70%yes
10% no
20% won't vote, don't care

The 10% is approx 300 crew of which maybe 100 post on the forums venting why we should vote no.
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Old 13th Sep 2014, 07:02
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Yes for me.
I'll save CC for something more important... NEXT!
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Old 13th Sep 2014, 09:10
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Yes for me.
I'll save CC for something more important... NEXT!
Oasis,


Care to share what is going to be more important than pay? I thought pay effects everyone!

To all those folk that want to save CC for something else, I would love to know what is going to get a backing as big as a pay deal...

Rostering? well, a lot of based and 777 guys are pretty happy, I am.
Housing? I'm sure all the based guys (1000+) are really going to get behind that one.
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Old 13th Sep 2014, 10:57
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Yes for me.
I'll save CC for something more important... NEXT!
You would probably not use CC even if your life depended on it. You've bent over so much that you are unable to stand up when it counts.

So go do as you're told, you are fully out of your depth.
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Old 13th Sep 2014, 11:19
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Yes for me!

Will keep on fighting during RP for more!
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Old 13th Sep 2014, 14:02
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Squawk, I could also say you'd go into CC for anything or nothing.
It does not matter. Believe it or not, there are more important things than money.

The risk of a failed CC does not outweigh the upside in pay increase.

We got our increase without concessions, like we should, I'm happy, why aren't you?
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Old 13th Sep 2014, 14:54
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thinking to hard

Good evening,

As if nothing has ever changed. Making the same mistakes over and over again.. That's why you're stuck with a shit company with a shitty ****** management (pulling your [email protected] to your heads) and ultimately a shit flying job, and once again (surprise, surprise) feeling pathetically sorry about yourselves.. It is hilarious.. Someone smart (probably an outsider) said something in the lines of - take the deal, and then do CC every god damn day of the year - in other words take the money on offer and call sick.

Good luck with it all boyz and gals and congrats on the offer

Chuck.
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